SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:53 amYeah we’ve had relatively little on the Westside Jersey makeup for around a decade. I’d love a modern breakdown of the crews/members etc.
We have DeVita, DePiro (love to know members/crew sizes) We have the Bruschi crew, who’s taken that over? The Dente crew (his son took over??) and Daniel Pagano has interests/crew in Jersey (is he jersey based??)?
Am I missing anyone?
It’s a mess to yours.
It sure would be nice if we got an updated breakdown of all the NY crews like we did with the Luccheses.
Anyway, trying to figure out the Genovese family in Jersey is enough to drive you crazy. The 2004 NJ OC report listed 5 crews - Fiumara, Devita, Gatto, Bruschi, and Prisco. On top of that, you also had Dentico identified/indicted as a captain elsewhere.
Some people, perhaps correctly, think there's always been three Genovese crews
based in Jersey. Obviously an important distinction from a crew based elsewhere but with operations in Jersey.
Fiumara (now DePiro?) and Devita, of course, are based there. Bruschi as well.
There was some disagreement among law enforcement whether Gatto was actually a captain before he died.
Seems Prisco was based elsewhere but simply had operations in Jersey. The 2004 report connected LaScala to the Prisco crew and he, of course, was indicted as a captain himself before he died.
Neither the Dente or Pagano crews are based in Jersey.
moneyman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:12 pmWasn't Persico forced to live in NJ for legal reasons? The NJ Genovese waterfront stuff is super interesting.
They definitely got the better end of the deal when they split the NY/NJ waterfront with the Gambinos. The vast majority of the shipping is on the Jersey side now and is why most of the ILA/waterfront cases in the last 20 years have been tied to the Genovese/Jersey docks.
It should be noted that, according to the Waterfront Commission, members from all 5 NY families, as well as the New Jersey and Philly families, have friends or relatives working on the docks.
I've always thought their reputation as the strongest family is in large part due to how long they've dominated NJ based rackets. I think I read in one of the big Philly threads that this dates back to when Caponigro forfeited or gave the Genovese some of his rackets.
I think they have always been the biggest family in the state. Caponigro's operations were just something else they wanted.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:08 pm
It doesn't seem the Genovese made many people during the 80s. There was that meeting from 1988 where Gotti brought up how the Genovese hadn't made anyone in a while and had a bunch of slots to fill (something like 30 or 40 I forgot) and Gigante basically told him to mind his business. So there would have been a big backlog of proposed members waiting to get made.
Pogo
I believe it was 40 spots if I remember right. Apparently they made up for it later. In the mid-1990's a NY Magazine article said the Genovese had made 30 new members over the previous two years.
outfit guy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:54 pm
Most certainly, there is no "crew" left but leftover old men.
Whatever that means...
[quote=SonnyBlackstein post_id=167732 time=1600368830 user_id=171]Yeah we’ve had relatively little on the Westside Jersey makeup for around a decade. I’d love a modern breakdown of the crews/members etc.
We have DeVita, DePiro (love to know members/crew sizes) We have the Bruschi crew, who’s taken that over? The Dente crew (his son took over??) and Daniel Pagano has interests/crew in Jersey (is he jersey based??)?
Am I missing anyone?
It’s a mess to yours.
[/quote]
It sure would be nice if we got an updated breakdown of all the NY crews like we did with the Luccheses.
Anyway, trying to figure out the Genovese family in Jersey is enough to drive you crazy. The 2004 NJ OC report listed 5 crews - Fiumara, Devita, Gatto, Bruschi, and Prisco. On top of that, you also had Dentico identified/indicted as a captain elsewhere.
Some people, perhaps correctly, think there's always been three Genovese crews [i]based[/i] in Jersey. Obviously an important distinction from a crew based elsewhere but with operations in Jersey.
Fiumara (now DePiro?) and Devita, of course, are based there. Bruschi as well.
There was some disagreement among law enforcement whether Gatto was actually a captain before he died.
Seems Prisco was based elsewhere but simply had operations in Jersey. The 2004 report connected LaScala to the Prisco crew and he, of course, was indicted as a captain himself before he died.
Neither the Dente or Pagano crews are based in Jersey.
[quote=moneyman post_id=167747 time=1600373557 user_id=165]Wasn't Persico forced to live in NJ for legal reasons? The NJ Genovese waterfront stuff is super interesting.[/quote]
They definitely got the better end of the deal when they split the NY/NJ waterfront with the Gambinos. The vast majority of the shipping is on the Jersey side now and is why most of the ILA/waterfront cases in the last 20 years have been tied to the Genovese/Jersey docks.
It should be noted that, according to the Waterfront Commission, members from all 5 NY families, as well as the New Jersey and Philly families, have friends or relatives working on the docks.
[quote]I've always thought their reputation as the strongest family is in large part due to how long they've dominated NJ based rackets. I think I read in one of the big Philly threads that this dates back to when Caponigro forfeited or gave the Genovese some of his rackets.[/quote]
I think they have always been the biggest family in the state. Caponigro's operations were just something else they wanted.
[quote="Pogo The Clown" post_id=167781 time=1600391299 user_id=53]
It doesn't seem the Genovese made many people during the 80s. There was that meeting from 1988 where Gotti brought up how the Genovese hadn't made anyone in a while and had a bunch of slots to fill (something like 30 or 40 I forgot) and Gigante basically told him to mind his business. So there would have been a big backlog of proposed members waiting to get made.
Pogo
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I believe it was 40 spots if I remember right. Apparently they made up for it later. In the mid-1990's a NY Magazine article said the Genovese had made 30 new members over the previous two years.
[quote="outfit guy" post_id=167784 time=1600394079 user_id=5180]
Most certainly, there is no "crew" left but leftover old men.
[/quote]
Whatever that means...