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by The Greek » Mon May 06, 2024 3:06 pm
38specialed wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 8:29 am What other members are you aware of involved between 1905 to 1940’s out of Mulberry, Redhook and Coney Island. You hear about the Black Hand and how there were gangs that connected to it, but I get confused as to how an individuals descendants transitioned from a black hand ancestry into modern day LCN. Can anyone explain it?
by 38specialed » Mon May 06, 2024 8:29 am
by B. » Thu Jan 25, 2024 4:38 pm
by quadtree » Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:10 am
by quadtree » Thu Jan 25, 2024 5:36 am
by PolackTony » Thu Jun 22, 2023 4:42 pm
B. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:56 pm B. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:29 pm Detroit source said until the late 1920s or early 1930s there were "three separate groups" in the area: the Giannolas (Cinisi), the Zerilli-Tocco-Corrados (Terrasini), and the Ruggirellos (Monte san Giuliano, Trapani). They were later consolidated under Zerilli's leadership. While the framing is as if these were "gangs", it's really only a debate over whether these were factions of one Family or three separate Families as the "gang" POV is antiquated outsider nonsense. The Ruggirellos later represented Flint for the Detroit Family and as this thread discusses, there was a significant Trapanese group in Flint and Saginaw from Monte San Guliano / San Vito lo Capo who also intersected with Detroit but show evidence of being distinct. Tony Cusenza was the leader until his 1928 murder according to Pete Misuraca, whose relatives were members of this group. Because Families were originally formed around compaesani identity, it would make sense that the "three separate groups" were divided between Cinisi, Terrasini, and Monte San Giuliano / San Vito. The source linked the Melis (San Cataldo) with the Zerilli group, so the small but powerful Caltanissetta element may have been part of the Terrasini group originally. Coincidentally there is a frazione of Terrasini called San Cataldo but the Melis and Polizzis are confirmed to be from Caltanissetta and were tied to their paesans near Pittston. The Partinicesi aren't mentioned by this source and neither are important men from towns like Alcamo / Castellammare so there would be question whether they were part of the three groups outlined above or had their own Families. A very interesting Detroit informant later outlined the compaesani factions of the 1960s and was clear that Partinico was a powerful semi-autonomous faction within the Family and also described factions from various other hometowns, which to me indicates these factions always had a strong political distinction that may trace back to multiple Families in the area. It's mainly a question to me of when they were officially consolidated and how many there once were. Correction... I guess these Giannolas were from Terrasini. Goes against the theory that these groups were separated at all based on hometown.
B. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:29 pm Detroit source said until the late 1920s or early 1930s there were "three separate groups" in the area: the Giannolas (Cinisi), the Zerilli-Tocco-Corrados (Terrasini), and the Ruggirellos (Monte san Giuliano, Trapani). They were later consolidated under Zerilli's leadership. While the framing is as if these were "gangs", it's really only a debate over whether these were factions of one Family or three separate Families as the "gang" POV is antiquated outsider nonsense. The Ruggirellos later represented Flint for the Detroit Family and as this thread discusses, there was a significant Trapanese group in Flint and Saginaw from Monte San Guliano / San Vito lo Capo who also intersected with Detroit but show evidence of being distinct. Tony Cusenza was the leader until his 1928 murder according to Pete Misuraca, whose relatives were members of this group. Because Families were originally formed around compaesani identity, it would make sense that the "three separate groups" were divided between Cinisi, Terrasini, and Monte San Giuliano / San Vito. The source linked the Melis (San Cataldo) with the Zerilli group, so the small but powerful Caltanissetta element may have been part of the Terrasini group originally. Coincidentally there is a frazione of Terrasini called San Cataldo but the Melis and Polizzis are confirmed to be from Caltanissetta and were tied to their paesans near Pittston. The Partinicesi aren't mentioned by this source and neither are important men from towns like Alcamo / Castellammare so there would be question whether they were part of the three groups outlined above or had their own Families. A very interesting Detroit informant later outlined the compaesani factions of the 1960s and was clear that Partinico was a powerful semi-autonomous faction within the Family and also described factions from various other hometowns, which to me indicates these factions always had a strong political distinction that may trace back to multiple Families in the area. It's mainly a question to me of when they were officially consolidated and how many there once were.
by B. » Wed Jun 21, 2023 10:56 pm
by B. » Wed Jun 21, 2023 5:29 pm
by Antiliar » Sun May 07, 2023 6:45 pm
Angelo Santino wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 2:15 pm Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 12:09 pm Lucky grew up in the East Village area on East 10th Street and East 14th Street where Saverio Virzi was the dominant power, and he was friends with Joe Biondo and Steve Armone. So he could have easily gone the Gambinos back when D'Aquila was in charge. But he ended up apparently forming his own crew there under Masseria. I wonder/speculate if the Gambinos were harder to "get into" at the time. I base that on Palermo being a port city and hence membership from Palermo flowed into the Gambinos, 20 streams into one lake. The genovese, may have been more open to those without a mafia pedigree- snobs VS the slobs, and as long as rules were followed, personal character (Lucianos involvement w hookers) might have been less of a factor with the newly formed Gens. Not saying any of this in the definitive, just speculating.
Antiliar wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 12:09 pm Lucky grew up in the East Village area on East 10th Street and East 14th Street where Saverio Virzi was the dominant power, and he was friends with Joe Biondo and Steve Armone. So he could have easily gone the Gambinos back when D'Aquila was in charge. But he ended up apparently forming his own crew there under Masseria.
by Angelo Santino » Sun May 07, 2023 2:15 pm
by Angelo Santino » Sun May 07, 2023 7:16 am
by B. » Wed May 03, 2023 3:15 pm
by Antiliar » Wed May 03, 2023 12:09 pm
by B. » Wed May 03, 2023 10:46 am
by Angelo Santino » Tue May 02, 2023 4:31 am
B. wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:24 pm There were also mafia-connected Montalbanos in Ribera / Caltabellotta including a boss. One of the Gambino Family's LoCicero sons from Calamonaci married a Montalbano. The name does show up in different places like the early Chicago member Pietro Montalbano from Castelvetrano. There was an early Corleone Family member in Sicily named Saverio Montalbano so Clemente's associate might be Corleonese like him. You don't see Corleone guys in the US associate that heavily with Agrigento that I can think of. You'd expect there to be more. In early Chicago you likely had members from both but I don't know what is available about specific relationships. Joe Masseria was seen as a Sciacchitano and was close to the Morello-Terranovas though Masseria seems to have been mostly a loner in his own Family as far as Agrigento or Trapani heritage go and his association with a faction of Corleonesi seems like a circumstantial one-off. Re: LoCicero in Villabate, a possible NYC connection is Profaci captain Calogero LoCicero who came from Villabate in the 1920s and immediately started associating with what he termed mustaches.
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