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SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:46 pm

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:51 am

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:21 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:57 am The guys who did the job on Greenberg were allegedly Alderisio and Nicoletti but besides that, the hit went off track a little bit, meaning the first bullet didnt stop Greenberg as he charged towards his attackers. I think Battaglia also took care of Nittos wife regarding cash and stuff

I imagined this guy Greenberg as a little bald accountant - he's charging Phil and Chucky while they are shooting at him? You gotta be tough to do that.

I hear you lol well to be around guys like Nitto, Capone or Humphreys at the time, you needed to be a tough guy lol the newspapers say that Greenberg was having dinner with his wife and daughter at the Glass Dome Hickory Pit, 2724 S. Union av. As he was leaving, he was shot by two hitmen. Greenberg suddenly staggered after the men as they fled on foot. Greenberg collapsed about 12 feet of the curb and the killers were never caught.

Other sources say that Greenberg’s murder was executed on the request made by Louis Fratto, Alderisio’s cousin and Ralph Pierce. Story goes that Pierce was sought as a threat because of the statement he made once publicly at Greenberg by saying, "We'll take care of you!'" The threat was made in 1943 at a preliminary hearing in the trial of the Hollywood extortion case. The reason was Greenberg was a government witness. Another story goes that later during a police raid on Greenberg the cops found a piece of paper with Fratto’s name on it with a number of payments meant for him.

Ironically, 2724 is a sicilian social club - Saint Joseph Mens Club. I've been to their parades frequently. I used to eat at the Hickory Pit when it was on Halstead near Comiskey and haven't had better ribs since then.

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:51 am

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:21 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:57 am The guys who did the job on Greenberg were allegedly Alderisio and Nicoletti but besides that, the hit went off track a little bit, meaning the first bullet didnt stop Greenberg as he charged towards his attackers. I think Battaglia also took care of Nittos wife regarding cash and stuff

I imagined this guy Greenberg as a little bald accountant - he's charging Phil and Chucky while they are shooting at him? You gotta be tough to do that.

I hear you lol well to be around guys like Nitto, Capone or Humphreys at the time, you needed to be a tough guy lol the newspapers say that Greenberg was having dinner with his wife and daughter at the Glass Dome Hickory Pit, 2724 S. Union av. As he was leaving, he was shot by two hitmen. Greenberg suddenly staggered after the men as they fled on foot. Greenberg collapsed about 12 feet of the curb and the killers were never caught.

Other sources say that Greenberg’s murder was executed on the request made by Louis Fratto, Alderisio’s cousin and Ralph Pierce. Story goes that Pierce was sought as a threat because of the statement he made once publicly at Greenberg by saying, "We'll take care of you!'" The threat was made in 1943 at a preliminary hearing in the trial of the Hollywood extortion case. The reason was Greenberg was a government witness. Another story goes that later during a police raid on Greenberg the cops found a piece of paper with Fratto’s name on it with a number of payments meant for him.

PolackTony wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:21 am Wait wasn't this guy also called Lou Greenberg? In both Frank Eghigian's and George Murray's (The Legacy of Al Capone) accounts, Greenberg didn't come across as just a balding, bespectacled little accountant. He was a gangster and saloon keeper going back to the 1910s IIRC and was something of a mentor to Nitto when he first arrived in Chicago. He owned a saloon during the 20s near the Maxwell St ghetto and was pals with O'Bannion and Weiss early on before siding with the Capone Organization.

The account given by Murray is that Greenberg was hit because he refused to pay out what was owed to Anna Ronga (Nitto's ex) for Nitto's adopted son Joseph. Nitto had apparently entrusted Greenberg with millions in assets for safekeeping to be disbursed to his family if something happened to him, and once Joe Nitto reached maturity Greenberg reneged.

Villain, one thing that always stuck out to me about this account was -- since when did the Outfit care much about guys' families once they died? If anything, they'd be trying to stick their hands in the pot. The other accounts centering on Vegas or Ralph Pierce thus might make more sense. But maybe it was several things and one was the straw that broke the camel's back. Certainly if Greenberg did renege.on the Nittos than the Outfit may have used that to further justify the hit on Greenberg.

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:51 am

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:21 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:57 am The guys who did the job on Greenberg were allegedly Alderisio and Nicoletti but besides that, the hit went off track a little bit, meaning the first bullet didnt stop Greenberg as he charged towards his attackers. I think Battaglia also took care of Nittos wife regarding cash and stuff

I imagined this guy Greenberg as a little bald accountant - he's charging Phil and Chucky while they are shooting at him? You gotta be tough to do that.

I hear you lol well to be around guys like Nitto, Capone or Humphreys at the time, you needed to be a tough guy lol the newspapers say that Greenberg was having dinner with his wife and daughter at the Glass Dome Hickory Pit, 2724 S. Union av. As he was leaving, he was shot by two hitmen. Greenberg suddenly staggered after the men as they fled on foot. Greenberg collapsed about 12 feet of the curb and the killers were never caught.

Other sources say that Greenberg’s murder was executed on the request made by Louis Fratto, Alderisio’s cousin and Ralph Pierce. Story goes that Pierce was sought as a threat because of the statement he made once publicly at Greenberg by saying, "We'll take care of you!'" The threat was made in 1943 at a preliminary hearing in the trial of the Hollywood extortion case. The reason was Greenberg was a government witness. Another story goes that later during a police raid on Greenberg the cops found a piece of paper with Fratto’s name on it with a number of payments meant for him.

Frank wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:53 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:48 am

Frank wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:27 am Is it true than that he was stealing Outfit money in Vegas.

Dont remember anything about Vegas but he probably knew their guy over there Gus Greenbaum

Maybe Im getting there names mixed up.

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:48 am

Frank wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:27 am Is it true than that he was stealing Outfit money in Vegas.

Dont remember anything about Vegas but he probably knew their guy over there Gus Greenbaum

Frank wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:27 am Is it true than that he was stealing Outfit money in Vegas.

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:51 am

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:21 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:57 am The guys who did the job on Greenberg were allegedly Alderisio and Nicoletti but besides that, the hit went off track a little bit, meaning the first bullet didnt stop Greenberg as he charged towards his attackers. I think Battaglia also took care of Nittos wife regarding cash and stuff

I imagined this guy Greenberg as a little bald accountant - he's charging Phil and Chucky while they are shooting at him? You gotta be tough to do that.

I hear you lol well to be around guys like Nitto, Capone or Humphreys at the time, you needed to be a tough guy lol the newspapers say that Greenberg was having dinner with his wife and daughter at the Glass Dome Hickory Pit, 2724 S. Union av. As he was leaving, he was shot by two hitmen. Greenberg suddenly staggered after the men as they fled on foot. Greenberg collapsed about 12 feet of the curb and the killers were never caught.

Other sources say that Greenberg’s murder was executed on the request made by Louis Fratto, Alderisio’s cousin and Ralph Pierce. Story goes that Pierce was sought as a threat because of the statement he made once publicly at Greenberg by saying, "We'll take care of you!'" The threat was made in 1943 at a preliminary hearing in the trial of the Hollywood extortion case. The reason was Greenberg was a government witness. Another story goes that later during a police raid on Greenberg the cops found a piece of paper with Fratto’s name on it with a number of payments meant for him.

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:21 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:57 am The guys who did the job on Greenberg were allegedly Alderisio and Nicoletti but besides that, the hit went off track a little bit, meaning the first bullet didnt stop Greenberg as he charged towards his attackers. I think Battaglia also took care of Nittos wife regarding cash and stuff

I imagined this guy Greenberg as a little bald accountant - he's charging Phil and Chucky while they are shooting at him? You gotta be tough to do that.

Villain wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:57 am The guys who did the job on Greenberg were allegedly Alderisio and Nicoletti but besides that, the hit went off track a little bit, meaning the first bullet didnt stop Greenberg as he charged towards his attackers. I think Battaglia also took care of Nittos wife regarding cash and stuff

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pm Would also note her last name was spelled "Nitto" within her obituary.

SolarSolano wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:43 am Wonder if she is related to Richard Caravetta, a former well-known committeeman in Cicero who was indicted with Betty Loren-Maltese.