THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Grouchy Sinatra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:54 pm Not sure if this has been posted, but the Kansas City Public Library put together an Organized Crime File Collection for the recent season of Fargo.

https://kchistory.org/islandora/object/ ... y%3A131628

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:24 pm Here is a chart I put together from information in a document posted by Ed.

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Kansas City Family Circa 1967 (About 24 made members)


Administration:
Boss: Nick Civella
UnderBoss: Thomas Simone
UnderBoss: Carl DeLuna
Consigliere: Gaetano Loccoco


Capos:
Carl Civella
Joseph Carolla
Thomas Cacioppo


Soldiers:
Anthony Civella
Sam Carolla
Charles Moretina
Joseph Guerra (Informant)
Felix Perina
(Redacted)
John Mangiaracina
(Redacted)
Buster Balestrere
Joseph Filardo (Inactive)
Joseph Cusumano (Inactive)
Charles Bengimin (Inactive)
Nick Evola (Inactive)
John Blando (Inactive)
John Molle (Inactive)
Thomas Pontanello (Inactive)
William Cammisano (Inactive)

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:24 pm Here is a chart I put together from information in a document posted by Ed.

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Kansas City Family Circa 1967 (About 24 made members)

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:39 pm

We have 8 major cities with high LCN activity, but they're just the tip of the iceberg. We're facing the Yakuza, Chinese Tongs, Rastafarian crackheads, and biker mobs, dealing methamphetamine ice.


Pogo

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:11 pm

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:31 pm

joerock wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:56 pm Here is another interesting subject, without fighting and arguing these discussions are strictly of opinions or if you know stone cold facts feel free to join in, Kansas City crime family active or defunct?

Genovese
Gambino
Bonanno
Lucchese
Colombo
DeCavalcante
Patriarca
Bruno

those are the active families everyone agrees on, if you're looking to argue with people start a thread on Detroit or Buffalo.

As Confederate said, throw in Chicago and you have the 9 regularly identified by the feds.

Buffalo and Detroit have always attracted debates because, with Pittsburgh, they did last longer into the 1990's than a lot of other families. The debates we are seeing with Buffalo now we saw with Detroit a decade ago before those died out.

After those two, Kansas City would be the next most debated, due in no small part to the 2010 bookmaking bust, as well as some posters putting up names.

NothingNew44 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 5:14 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:07 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:42 pm The problem on this board is unless there is an indictment of some kind nobody will believe any crime family is still active

An indictment doesn't automatically constitute an "Active Family". There can be an indictment against a "leftover remnant" from a defunct family.

Exactly, well said C. There’s a definite distinction. We can look at Bobby and Rusty I. of Pittsburgh getting busted 18 months ago for a gambling operation. They’re remnants still working in traditional criminal activity. Nothing more. People struggle to understand the difference. Or just choose to acknowledge there is one.

Exactly. Well said.

bobbybatts1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:08 pm

Patrickgold wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:14 pm

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:33 pm What was the dynamic like between the Kansas City and St. Louis families considering they were both in Missouri? Was the combined strength of these families ever brought to bear within LCN politics or no?

John Simone, the son, went to college in St. Louis in the early 1990s and supposedly had a bookmaking operation there.

You mean Joe Pete Simone, he did and his bust cost him a promising baseball career.

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:43 pm

bobbybatts1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:58 pm

Moscone65 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:02 pm There was a making ceremony supposedly in 2015 when the guys from the 2010 busy came out. If it’s true or not, who knows. That’s what I heard from sources that I trust. If you don’t believe it, that’s fine.

No making ceremony in 2015,I know people were saying Fat Joe Scola, Sal Begula etc got made but no one is being made. Not that these guys are doing things but its not part of a family type operation.

That 2010 case, why was there so many people arrested and jailed for contempt of court? No info to give the govt proved valuable? Every bettor was scared?
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While not the family they were, there are a few guys who would bury you, Willie Cammisano Jr. is a dangerous man, just his involvement would be enough to stop people from talking. At that time Joe Ragusa "Rags" was still alive and moving around, he was a very dangerous guy. In fact it wasn't until Willie put the world out okaying people to talk to the feds to get out of jail did anyone talk. But there is no family in the historical sense, rather some made guys with some underlings making a few bucks.

bobbybatts1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:07 pm

TallGuy19 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:12 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:31 pm

Confederate wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:50 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:38 pm Three made guys each having 3-4 guys underneath running schemes, scores, etc. Im not saying the guys underneath are all made guys with roots traced back etc etc. Im saying these associates could be non italian polish, irish, felons met in prison at a bar etc, loaning money at high interest, stolen property, drugs, gambling, laundering etc. Im not implying there is a hierachy of a boss, underboss, consig...but they can build something of a structured more modest, watered down generic version of what they saw growing up without interruption, absolutley I believe that

Yeah, that's "Possible". So what? 3 left over made guys having a few associates under them doing something independently are called "Remnants" from a defunct Family. That's what we have said now about 10 times. That aside, Cleveland will "never" be a functioning Family unless we can all climb into a time machine & go back to America the way it was 40 to 45 years ago.

I never said cleveland was functioning. I believe clev is as dead as you say it is. But KC, the made guys all know each other, hang out at the same places. You can label it on how you want, well actually you will wait till the fbi labels it and you can call it whatever they say it is. Because your view is the Gs view. I have my own opinion. And the FBI acknowledged at least vince civella, ribaste, frank deluna, Cammissano, simone (two of them i believe-joe, and pete) all made guys. So there is 6 made guys right there.

The gambling bust involving William Cammisano Jr. was basically a scenario where a made member of the family was running a bookmaking operation with a handful of associates under him. But that's not the same thing as an actual crew; for a family to be viable and have three crews they would need an administration and three captains. It's not so hard to believe that the few members left are involved to some degree in loansharking, gambling, etc.

there were multiple made members involved. But the rest is accurate.

bobbybatts1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:58 pm

Moscone65 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:02 pm There was a making ceremony supposedly in 2015 when the guys from the 2010 busy came out. If it’s true or not, who knows. That’s what I heard from sources that I trust. If you don’t believe it, that’s fine.

No making ceremony in 2015,I know people were saying Fat Joe Scola, Sal Begula etc got made but no one is being made. Not that these guys are doing things but its not part of a family type operation.