THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:07 pm Idk I remember reading that some Genovese guys dont even know who some members are in their own family. Just the crew. The OC report was from a status report New Jersey did back in 2004.

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:04 pm

Philly d wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:49 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:24 am The genovese also were the first I believe to have made it a rule or at least attempt to have members not be introduced to other members.

They how do you know who is made?

Yeah that’s what I was wondering

gohnjotti wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:04 pm

Philly d wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:49 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:24 am The genovese also were the first I believe to have made it a rule or at least attempt to have members not be introduced to other members.

They how do you know who is made?

Yeah that’s what I was wondering

Philly d wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:49 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:24 am The genovese also were the first I believe to have made it a rule or at least attempt to have members not be introduced to other members.

They how do you know who is made?

Tonyd621 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:24 am The genovese also were the first I believe to have made it a rule or at least attempt to have members not be introduced to other members.

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:42 am Are you including dry snitches in with Rats who never testified? They exist in every family...

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 7:45 pm

Costigan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:09 pm I haven't even heard of 5 of those names on the Genovese rat list. Could insulation be one reason these guys didn't do much damage? I mean, they told what they knew, and what they knew wasn't much because they were kept insulated from anything that could seriously damage the family. Just an opinion.

I'd categorize them this way...

These guys are for-sure members who flipped. Everyone knows Valachi in the 1960's. Cafaro in the 1980s, who was with Fat Tony. Barone in the early 2000's (if I remember right), who was involved in the waterfront rackets. Arrilotta and Tranghese from Springfield in the mid-2000's. And Ruggiero from Florida in the mid-2000's.

Joseph "Joe Cago" Valachi/Soldier (Dead)
Vincent "Fish" Cafaro/Soldier
George Barone/Soldier (Dead)
Anthony “Bingy” Arilotta/Soldier
Felix Tranghese/Capo
Renaldi “Ray” Ruggiero/Capo


These guys I would put an asterisk next to their name and anyone who came before Valachi for the reasons I stated.

Charles Trentacosta/Soldier
John “Futto” Biello/Capo (Killed)
Eugene “Gino” Farina/Soldier (Killed)


I'd put a question mark next to his name because I'm not 100% convinced he did flip.

Louis Moscatiello/Soldier/Acting Capo (Dead)

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:38 am

JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 7:32 pm

TommyGambino wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:05 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:22 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:13 am A large portion is luck as well.

You could’ve asked this question in 2000 about the Bonanno’s who prior to Coppa had ZERO rats.
Look how that turned out.

Except a lot of pressure was off the Bonannos for at least a decade before the rats came out once the heat was back on. The Genovese have been hit by law enforcement again and again, with no such reprieve, and they haven't had a max exodus of people running to the government like the other families.

Genovese have had 10 members flip, Gambino 12, not much in it

How many made ?

http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2011/02/ ... r.html?m=1

Genovese Crime Family - 8 Members who have Flipped

Anthony “Bingy” Arilotta- Soldier
George Barone- Soldier (Dead)
John “Futto” Biello- Capo (Killed)
Vincent "Fish" Cafaro- Soldier
Felix Tranghese- Capo
Joseph "Joe Cago" Valachi- Soldier (Dead)
Louis Moscatiello- Soldier/Acting Capo (Dead)
Renaldi “Ray” Ruggiero - Capo

MSFRD wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:03 pm It’s very unique with the Genovese. You can’t say it isn’t about making anyone. At their peak they had what nearly 300 made men; twice the size of the three smaller families. It seems at their absolute core the leadership have been guys who were really in it for the love of the organisation rather than men of real vice. Now it’s hard to say what really motivates or motivated men whom I never met and know only from footage and pics, but they don’t seem to be the flashy party boys of the mob. Men who want women, drugs, booze and anything for the dopamine hit are the ones least likely to sacrifice it for a long jail sentence. The guys who are in it for a good living and a belief in the organisation are harder to sway. They had the best from the beginning: Costello, Luciano, Genovese and their next crop were really low-key businessman.

Costigan wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:09 pm I haven't even heard of 5 of those names on the Genovese rat list. Could insulation be one reason these guys didn't do much damage? I mean, they told what they knew, and what they knew wasn't much because they were kept insulated from anything that could seriously damage the family. Just an opinion.