THE BLACK HAND FORUM

dave wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:43 pm

bluehouse wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:55 am

dave wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:39 pm So Gravano says that Gotti was actually considering killing Sclafani because Sclafani shot back at the Bonanno hit team and the Bonannos were upset at him for interfering. Gravano also says that one of the Bonanno hitmen was killed because he and another hitman's father was an NYPD Officer, and they were being asked about the hit. I'm assuming he's talking about the Tuzzio brothers, but I can't find anything on their father.

https://youtu.be/qvd18w3dyOg

I beleive this version more.How could the shooters who were doing an official hit for the whole 5 families (everyone wanted gus dead) could of known who was in the car with him also why the fuck was the son of a made guy hanging out with a guy who was responsible for the heat the feds bought down on the families?The father of this guy was lucky he didnt get whacked also

Greg Scarpa told Lin DeVecchio the story about Gotti wanting Tuzzio dead because he wounded Sclafani, according to the book Deal with the Devil. Idk if there was any other source with this same story besides Scarpa.

bluehouse wrote: ↑Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:55 am

dave wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:39 pm So Gravano says that Gotti was actually considering killing Sclafani because Sclafani shot back at the Bonanno hit team and the Bonannos were upset at him for interfering. Gravano also says that one of the Bonanno hitmen was killed because he and another hitman's father was an NYPD Officer, and they were being asked about the hit. I'm assuming he's talking about the Tuzzio brothers, but I can't find anything on their father.

https://youtu.be/qvd18w3dyOg

I beleive this version more.How could the shooters who were doing an official hit for the whole 5 families (everyone wanted gus dead) could of known who was in the car with him also why the fuck was the son of a made guy hanging out with a guy who was responsible for the heat the feds bought down on the families?The father of this guy was lucky he didnt get whacked also

dave wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:39 pm So Gravano says that Gotti was actually considering killing Sclafani because Sclafani shot back at the Bonanno hit team and the Bonannos were upset at him for interfering. Gravano also says that one of the Bonanno hitmen was killed because he and another hitman's father was an NYPD Officer, and they were being asked about the hit. I'm assuming he's talking about the Tuzzio brothers, but I can't find anything on their father.

https://youtu.be/qvd18w3dyOg

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 11:47 am

Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:20 am

Adam wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:50 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:11 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:25 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:47 pm I think why Tuzzio didnt do anything even he know that killed a gambino made man together with Farace?
He doesnt understood that would be killed for a wiseguy murder?

If I remember correctly, the Sclafani that was with Farace that Tuzzio shot(he didn't die) was just a made guys' son.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydail ... utType=amp


Tuzzio and fellow mobsters carried Farace’s murder — but during the killing they also shot Gambino crime family associate Joseph Scalfani, who was in the car with Farace.
Sclafani’s death greatly angered Gambino mob boss “Teflon Don” John Gotti, according to the feds.
To appease Gotti, then-acting Bonanno boss Anthony Spero ordered Tuzzio killed, court papers say.

But Sclafani didn't die. I think it's reasonable for Tuzzio to think that he'd get a pass for that considering that Sclafani lived, he wasn't a made guy(just the son of a made guy), Sclafani shouldn't have been helping Farace in the first place, and Tuzzio actually accomplished what the mob wanted. Farace dead.

I dont understand that either , A total mistake him being shot . Anthony Spero seems to never go to bat for anyone , He always just had guys under him killed instead of having sitdowns and trying to iron things out . Seems everyone was expendable to Spero

Spero hated Tuzzio because demanded to be made maybe for this that didnt try to save him or he just used boys like tuzzio as cannon fodder like used ralph gulino before he also pretended to be made and pushed him.

Hailbritain wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:56 am

Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:20 am

Adam wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:50 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:11 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:25 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:47 pm I think why Tuzzio didnt do anything even he know that killed a gambino made man together with Farace?
He doesnt understood that would be killed for a wiseguy murder?

If I remember correctly, the Sclafani that was with Farace that Tuzzio shot(he didn't die) was just a made guys' son.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydail ... utType=amp


Tuzzio and fellow mobsters carried Farace’s murder — but during the killing they also shot Gambino crime family associate Joseph Scalfani, who was in the car with Farace.
Sclafani’s death greatly angered Gambino mob boss “Teflon Don” John Gotti, according to the feds.
To appease Gotti, then-acting Bonanno boss Anthony Spero ordered Tuzzio killed, court papers say.

But Sclafani didn't die. I think it's reasonable for Tuzzio to think that he'd get a pass for that considering that Sclafani lived, he wasn't a made guy(just the son of a made guy), Sclafani shouldn't have been helping Farace in the first place, and Tuzzio actually accomplished what the mob wanted. Farace dead.

I dont understand that either , A total mistake him being shot . Anthony Spero seems to never go to bat for anyone , He always just had guys under him killed instead of having sitdowns and trying to iron things out . Seems everyone was expendable to Spero

Didn’t tuzzio insult spero by demanding to be made , don’t think the sclafani wounding was the only reason he was
That was him ? Im confused now , Louie Tuzzio was killed in his car , Who was the other guy that pushed Spero and was killed in his home by Tommy Reynolds and one of the other Bath ave . Members ? Are we talking about the same guy here

IrishDave wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:47 pm Any information on Spero's back story? IIRC he was made with Massino.

Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:20 am

Adam wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:50 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:11 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:25 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:47 pm I think why Tuzzio didnt do anything even he know that killed a gambino made man together with Farace?
He doesnt understood that would be killed for a wiseguy murder?

If I remember correctly, the Sclafani that was with Farace that Tuzzio shot(he didn't die) was just a made guys' son.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydail ... utType=amp


Tuzzio and fellow mobsters carried Farace’s murder — but during the killing they also shot Gambino crime family associate Joseph Scalfani, who was in the car with Farace.
Sclafani’s death greatly angered Gambino mob boss “Teflon Don” John Gotti, according to the feds.
To appease Gotti, then-acting Bonanno boss Anthony Spero ordered Tuzzio killed, court papers say.

But Sclafani didn't die. I think it's reasonable for Tuzzio to think that he'd get a pass for that considering that Sclafani lived, he wasn't a made guy(just the son of a made guy), Sclafani shouldn't have been helping Farace in the first place, and Tuzzio actually accomplished what the mob wanted. Farace dead.

I dont understand that either , A total mistake him being shot . Anthony Spero seems to never go to bat for anyone , He always just had guys under him killed instead of having sitdowns and trying to iron things out . Seems everyone was expendable to Spero

Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 10:20 am

Adam wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:50 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:11 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:25 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:47 pm I think why Tuzzio didnt do anything even he know that killed a gambino made man together with Farace?
He doesnt understood that would be killed for a wiseguy murder?

If I remember correctly, the Sclafani that was with Farace that Tuzzio shot(he didn't die) was just a made guys' son.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydail ... utType=amp


Tuzzio and fellow mobsters carried Farace’s murder — but during the killing they also shot Gambino crime family associate Joseph Scalfani, who was in the car with Farace.
Sclafani’s death greatly angered Gambino mob boss “Teflon Don” John Gotti, according to the feds.
To appease Gotti, then-acting Bonanno boss Anthony Spero ordered Tuzzio killed, court papers say.

But Sclafani didn't die. I think it's reasonable for Tuzzio to think that he'd get a pass for that considering that Sclafani lived, he wasn't a made guy(just the son of a made guy), Sclafani shouldn't have been helping Farace in the first place, and Tuzzio actually accomplished what the mob wanted. Farace dead.

I dont understand that either , A total mistake him being shot . Anthony Spero seems to never go to bat for anyone , He always just had guys under him killed instead of having sitdowns and trying to iron things out . Seems everyone was expendable to Spero

Adam wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:50 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:11 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:25 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:47 pm I think why Tuzzio didnt do anything even he know that killed a gambino made man together with Farace?
He doesnt understood that would be killed for a wiseguy murder?

If I remember correctly, the Sclafani that was with Farace that Tuzzio shot(he didn't die) was just a made guys' son.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydail ... utType=amp


Tuzzio and fellow mobsters carried Farace’s murder — but during the killing they also shot Gambino crime family associate Joseph Scalfani, who was in the car with Farace.
Sclafani’s death greatly angered Gambino mob boss “Teflon Don” John Gotti, according to the feds.
To appease Gotti, then-acting Bonanno boss Anthony Spero ordered Tuzzio killed, court papers say.

But Sclafani didn't die. I think it's reasonable for Tuzzio to think that he'd get a pass for that considering that Sclafani lived, he wasn't a made guy(just the son of a made guy), Sclafani shouldn't have been helping Farace in the first place, and Tuzzio actually accomplished what the mob wanted. Farace dead.

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:11 am

Adam wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:25 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:47 pm I think why Tuzzio didnt do anything even he know that killed a gambino made man together with Farace?
He doesnt understood that would be killed for a wiseguy murder?

If I remember correctly, the Sclafani that was with Farace that Tuzzio shot(he didn't die) was just a made guys' son.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydail ... utType=amp


Tuzzio and fellow mobsters carried Farace’s murder — but during the killing they also shot Gambino crime family associate Joseph Scalfani, who was in the car with Farace.
Sclafani’s death greatly angered Gambino mob boss “Teflon Don” John Gotti, according to the feds.
To appease Gotti, then-acting Bonanno boss Anthony Spero ordered Tuzzio killed, court papers say.