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Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:41 pm

Found this in some files, the date is from January 1966. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Bill Bonanno suppling the information since we know he was in contact with the FBI.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:54 am

Oh damn, I forgot they had the other Vito listed as "Vito from the Bronx". It may have been a mix up like you said, or there could have been another Vito from the Bronx at that time. On CC's Bonanno 1963 there's three other Vito's listed as soldiers/possible soldiers

Vito B was related to JB so its possible he could meet with him personally as a soldier.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by Selig » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:15 am

And maybe Vito B was one of those captains that were directly under Joe Bonnano that Bill mentioned and didn't have a crew.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by Selig » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:11 am

Yes, just reread that part of Bill's book. But that Vito was a soldier not Captain and lived in Brooklyn not the Bronx. May have been some confusion over the 2 Vito's, either by informant or transcriber, as Vito D was from the Bronx, or at least his son Joseph was a captain there in the 70's/80's.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:09 pm

Selig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:35 pm Not aware of any Vito Bonventre from th e 1960's.
I believe he was JB’s cousin or uncle. It was actually his house on Toutman that the “peace meeting”/shootout occurred.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by Selig » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:35 pm

Not aware of any Vito Bonventre from th e 1960's.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:54 pm

The other Vito could beVito Bonventre

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:54 pm

Good catch about DiGregorio not being named, he could be the LNU tho. I know that when DiGregorio was breaking from Bonanno, the FBI had trouble figuring out who “Gasparino” was that Magaddino was referring to.

Sciacca could also have been acting for him at this time, I’d he was indeed in his crew.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by Selig » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:10 pm

Odd thing about the Defillipo FBI files. A captains meeting was held in Septmember 1963, before the conflict started, and DiGregorio is not named among the captains present, unless he's the redacted LNU. Sciacca however is named. My understanding was that he was under DiGregorio prior to the start of the war, unless he was there in his place.
Also struggling to place the Vito (not Defillipo)

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:08 pm

Selig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:24 pm Whoops! Noticed after I posted you aded the Mari article but didn't see you put the DeFillipo files up. My bad. I have lazy eyes sometimes.
Wasn't suggested Bonnano was officially back in, but around 1968 with Lucchese dead and Gambino stepping back and appointing Castellano Acting Boss there seems to have been a time when the will wasn't there from the Commission to stop a potential Bonnano comeback. Looks like a combination of Joe Bonnano's illness, Sciacca's intense dislike of JB and lack of internal support from the family led to Bonnano's decision to retire.
Oh whoops, I misunderstood your point. Looking through my notes I remembered there's a FBI file that gives the credit to Genovese for making the peace/expelling JB from New York, but undoubtedly it was a combination of the factors you mentioned, JB's health, the lack of real support from the Commission on Sciacca's side.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by Selig » Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:24 pm

Whoops! Noticed after I posted you aded the Mari article but didn't see you put the DeFillipo files up. My bad. I have lazy eyes sometimes.
Wasn't suggested Bonnano was officially back in, but around 1968 with Lucchese dead and Gambino stepping back and appointing Castellano Acting Boss there seems to have been a time when the will wasn't there from the Commission to stop a potential Bonnano comeback. Looks like a combination of Joe Bonnano's illness, Sciacca's intense dislike of JB and lack of internal support from the family led to Bonnano's decision to retire.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:24 pm

Selig wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:47 pm You've read the FBI files on Vito DeFillipo posted then? There's been a lot of interesting stuff since you revived this: The FBI file, Frank Mari thread and the old Bonnano war thread. Lots of great stuff where you can build a timeline. Looks like there was a period around 1968 where Joe Bonnano was potentially back in before his heart attack, but Sciacca wouldn't go for it.
Lol, I actually posted the DeFilippo files and the Mari article. HairyKnuckles posted a timeline in the "Banana Split" thread, right now I don't think there's much to add to that.

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There's definitely some sources that make it sound like Bonanno was temporarily back in, but whether he was boss of the whole family or just his faction I'm not sure.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by Selig » Mon Jun 22, 2020 5:47 pm

You've read the FBI files on Vito DeFillipo posted then? There's been a lot of interesting stuff since you revived this: The FBI file, Frank Mari thread and the old Bonnano war thread. Lots of great stuff where you can build a timeline. Looks like there was a period around 1968 where Joe Bonnano was potentially back in before his heart attack, but Sciacca wouldn't go for it.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:47 pm

WIllie Riviello, an associate at the time, was on the Bonanno faction. He was close to Vito DeFilippo.

Re: Bonanno Split factions

by thekiduknow » Wed Jun 17, 2020 9:00 am

Selig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:30 pm
thekiduknow wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:19 pm One big question mark I had was where did Bayonne Joe fall? He defended Joe Bonanno on the DeCavalcante wiretaps when he was told the administration was suspended, and afterwards he shows up as an influential figure when the Bonanno's were reorganizing towards the end but I haven't seen anything saying he was on either side, maybe he was just on the fence the whole time?
He's a perfect example. Zicarelli pretty much stayed on the fence throughout. If you look at the MF documents he seems to have been courted by both factions and was named in and out of admin positions towards the end of the conflict as they tried to bring the two sides together. An influential figure, but seemed a bit out of his depth. Didn't look like he was comfortable in wartime situations.
I believe that would make him the most visible member on the fence during the conflict.

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