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aleksandrored wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:31 pm I know the topic is a little old, but it was rereading and I had some doubts:
The Chicago Mafia Boss in the 1920s was Anthony D'Andrea, followed by Mike Merlo, then Antonio Lombardo, and after Lombardo's death it was Patsy Lorordo, but at that time Capone, who was a capodecina of Masseria, was at war with Aiello to control and absorb the guanges, did he achieve this in 1930, but was he only recognized as chief by Maranzano in 1931? that's right?

If Capone Mob and the North Side were not part of the Chicago mafia, were they isolated and separate gangs?

Villain wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:53 am

PolackTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:46 am Eto's use of "boss of all bosses" is an interesting and I think telling phrase. Helps to further underscore the model that Chicago worked as something close to an affiliation of distinct "families", with a committee of territorial bosses and high level capos under a centralized executive directed by a top boss. In this way, not so different from the pre-Commission American Mafia, though I think that if Chicago had something like a similar model it's likely attributable to the legacy of Capone's absorption of allied organizations (e.g. -- the Loop/Near South/Cicero directly from the Capone gang, Taylor St from the 42's, the North side and the Heights from the old Sicilian family(ies), Grand Ave/EP from the Circus Gang boys).

It was like four Barons under one top admin, who controlled four specific large areas or each "providence" had a Baron with his own district bosses or capos reporting to him at the time. According to some sources, some Camorra chiefs, both men and women especially from Castellammare di Stabia area, were referenced as "Barons" or "Baronesses" and they transferred orders to the rest of the district chiefs, which were previously received by the boss himself. We also have the Pittsburgh family using the term "capo squadrone", a position that was above the capodecina and caporegime guys, but below the boss and underboss. Some say that during one period the Genoveses also had three territorial bosses who were above the rest of the capos or something like that....same story goes for their one time top administration...

I also think that similar structures were seen in Sicily but besides using this type of hierarchy, we must not forget that the Chicago Outfit was completely Americanized organization by giving some of those same high level spots to non-Italians, and on top of that, during the period between 1948 and 1955 they further upgraded their organization by adding two top level positions, such as the top boss or "boss of all bosses" position, followed by another senior advisor/semi-retired spot.

Back in the days I used to read that Ricca kept few of the top positions reserved only for the Italians, such as the top boss spot followed by the boss and underboss spots, since we have dozens of evidences that the senior advisor position was often occupied by non-Italians, same as some of the territorial boss positions, especially from around the South Side aka the old Capone faction, and also numerous crew boss positions also taken by non-Italians with many made guys being beneath them. John Moore aka Claude Maddox wasn't Aiuppa's "OPERATIONAL" boss, but instead he was his official mentor and official boss, since both Aiuppa and Bobby Ansani couldn't lift a finger without Maddox's approval during one time (around three decades).

PolackTony wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:46 am Eto's use of "boss of all bosses" is an interesting and I think telling phrase. Helps to further underscore the model that Chicago worked as something close to an affiliation of distinct "families", with a committee of territorial bosses and high level capos under a centralized executive directed by a top boss. In this way, not so different from the pre-Commission American Mafia, though I think that if Chicago had something like a similar model it's likely attributable to the legacy of Capone's absorption of allied organizations (e.g. -- the Loop/Near South/Cicero directly from the Capone gang, Taylor St from the 42's, the North side and the Heights from the old Sicilian family(ies), Grand Ave/EP from the Circus Gang boys).

Villain wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:28 am

Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:51 am The American LCN was based upon greed, power & money. The "cultural" aspect of it was very secondary. Let's get real about it & not over "romanticize" the cultural part. Do you think Joe Massera & Salvatore Maranzano really cared that much about "Sicilian Culture" before anything else? If that were true, then they would not have tried to kill each other, now would they? To focus obsessively about the cultural aspect of the American LCN is a Joseph Bonnano fairy tale. When it came right down to it, all that really mattered was power, money & a lot of betrayal by a bunch of sociopaths, some worse than others.

Few weeks ago i watched the doc about Ken Eto and it is interesting to note that at the beginning the feds thought that his case was small potatoes since he wasnt Italian, but in the end it came out that Eto knew a lot of stuff regarding the inner workings of the Outfit and also had close connections with the Genoveses, and so they labeled him as high ranking Oriental member of the Mob lol

In addition, Eto labeled Accardo as the "boss of all bosses" of the Chicago syndicate, with Aiuppa and Cerone right beneath him

Confederate wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:51 am The American LCN was based upon greed, power & money. The "cultural" aspect of it was very secondary. Let's get real about it & not over "romanticize" the cultural part. Do you think Joe Massera & Salvatore Maranzano really cared that much about "Sicilian Culture" before anything else? If that were true, then they would not have tried to kill each other, now would they? To focus obsessively about the cultural aspect of the American LCN is a Joseph Bonnano fairy tale. When it came right down to it, all that really mattered was power, money & a lot of betrayal by a bunch of sociopaths, some worse than others.

Villain wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:54 am Booyah

This is one quite interesting file which confirms the elimination of the Sicilian influence in Chicago