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Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by B. » Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:58 pm

Martorano told Caramandi that his son George was going to be on record "with New York" if he got out of prison. The Gambino family is most likely, though it would be cool if Martorano was willing to confirm it.

Never heard of Martorano having ties to the Sicilian mafia aside from his friendship with Rosario and Giuseppe Gambino, though he is yet another Philly/South Jersey mafia member with heritage from Belmonte Mezzagno via his father Giorgio. Along with the well-known examples like the Scafidis, Barrale, Casellas, and Cappellos, other Philly members with Belmontesi heritage are Frank Monte and Shotsie Sparacio.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by PHL_Mob » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:34 pm

@Mikey yeah he had some people from south philly and a lot of people from the Northeast also. This is all second hand info that I hear from others I was in high school during this time and would only walk by or whatever

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by Mikeymike12 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:25 pm

Finally we have the story right about him arriving home from the doctors ... it was always ,he was heading to his doctors office. Yeah he obviously was trying to take a piece that he felt he was owed . The feds obviously thought he was getting back into things as George said they were following him everywhere.
Hey PHl do you know if a lot of guys were coming up to Long Johns Club ?

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by Pmac2 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:47 am

did they ask george if he had anything to do with that hit or if his father did. they pretty crazy to sit at a table with the guy and his girl eating supper at a restaurant. thats insane i cant even believe that. long john must really wanted hius button to go to that length., and it didnt do to much for him he was off the street the next year

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by Extortion » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:21 am

stubbs wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:57 am
dack2001 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:46 am By the end of the 80's, it was believed that Long John flipped the Crow in an attempted power move to take control when he got out on his appeal. Long John thought he was close to being released once his appeal was overturned in 86/87. After Crow testified that Long John stroked him into thinking Scarfo was going to kill him and the guys heard Crow testify to whatLong John told him, Nicky put out a hit on Long John and assigned it to his son and George Fresolone in North Jersey. That was in 89/90. All those guys saw Crow testify multiply times, I'm sure they all knew what Long John was up to.

It took 8-9 more years for the court to rule and affirm that Long John and Daidone couldn't be retried on their case. By then Joey had the reins and they were all facing trial and Joe was holding things together. Long John gets out and tries to put something together and the rest was history. I'm sure there was more than one person that had a hard-on for Long John. His power came from his wealth and being around Ang with the unions and dealing drugs, his associates were more of the meth dealing Riccobene/Natale variety. He didn't have a natural power base so his putting out feelers surely raised some eyebrows. I don't doubt that taking trips to Sicily also didn't raise antenna. That's only five years removed from Stanfa bringing Biago and Sergio Battaglia over and Long John was friends with all of Sanfa's guys who were old Riccobene guys. You don't think those zips guys raised eyebrows downtown when they arrived on the scene in the early 90's? I think what George says here makes a ton of sense. He doesn't deny his father made moves to get back in. And he says it very politically too about not wanting to see the guys who did it punished. Very smart.
Great post. There’s an old saying that an account with cosa nostra is never closed. Once you cross the line from civilian to criminal, you can go legit but you can never undo crossing that line.

By that, I mean you can leave the criminal life behind and work a 9-5, but if the guys still in the streets think you’re a liability they can still come after you. Look at Gino DiPietro. Maybe Gino really had turned his life around, but to the mob he was no civilian, just an ex-criminal.

If you want to get out of the life, move far away. But the only true way not to lose the game is to never play.
If you dont have a lot of money, scarole you will have a tough time moving because you got to have enough rent for a few months and security deposit or apply for a job states away which can be difficult. Just saying and I agree with you they should do this if they feel like their lives are at risk and if this is the case...attempt to contact the US Marshalls or Feds to guard you until you move,

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by PHL_Mob » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:57 am

Ok dack I’ll put it another way. They not killing rats after the 90s (except maybe Gino D?). So in my view they’re not killing Long John for maybe contributing to Nicky Crow flipping. They’re only killing people that encroach on their money and Long John felt he was owed a lot literally and figuratively and that’s why he felt justified in moving in on the portions of the South Philly rackets.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by dack2001 » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:58 am

The mortgage is old news. Caramandi was spooked as spooked gets. Thats a fucking fact, He testified over and over to that.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by PHL_Mob » Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:37 pm

Long John definitely didn't respect Merlino let alone Ligambi. Here's a guy who was in business with Bruno since the 50's and then Testa and Scarfo in the 80s and Ligambi wasn't even IN the picture until early 80s. It's my understanding that when Long John got out he felt like a lot of the book and there was a big NE Philly book and loan operation that is still around today that Long John claimed to have funded and backed and was his before he went away in 83/84. Ligambi basically told him to fuck himself. There was also another thing I heard about that happened when Tommy Del went bad. Before he went bad Tommy Del owned a piece of the Cous' Little Italy, which later on was called Torano's. I forget exactly what happened if it was before or after Tommy Del went bad, but basically it was sold and Long John's piece either went to Scarfo or someone else and long story short he was trying to get like $150k from the selling of the restaurant, which he claimed went to back and fund book/shy. I don't think they would've clipped Long John just cuz of the Caramandi thing even though I'm sure that pissed them off. For all they knew Nicky Crow was just lying and saying that to make him flipping seem more "reasonable"? I think he basically thought he had more claim to South Philly and he was definitely muscling in on the sports and video, etc, and wouldn't back off and there simply wasn't any room for another big player like Long John. He opened up a social club down in Bella Vista for a little when he got back to south philly and I was definitely trying to re-establish himself. Georgie's story is just a nice story for him to tell people and makes it all more neutral for his dad and Ligambi, etc. Georgie still sits at the bar at the Saloon and you can still see him there sitting at the bar most nights if you're ever down there... very nice guy and true gentleman.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by Pogo The Clown » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:14 am

dack2001 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:46 am I don't doubt that taking trips to Sicily also didn't raise antenna. That's only five years removed from Stanfa bringing Biago and Sergio Battaglia over and Long John was friends with all of Sanfa's guys who were old Riccobene guys. You don't think those zips guys raised eyebrows downtown when they arrived on the scene in the early 90's?

Stanfa didn't bring them over. Battaglia came over with his family when he was a teenager and if I'm not mistaken Biagio Sdornetto was a civilian already here when he hooked up with Stanfa.

slimshady_007 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:51 am Who was the women that was killed? I never heard anything about that.

Jeannette Curro. She was the girlfriend of Greek mobster Chelseas Bouras. Long John orchestrated the hit on Bouras and she got cought in the crossfire. George Martorano was reportedly one of the gunmen in that hit.


Pogo

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by dack2001 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:06 am

Was it Jean Curro that got killed? That may well have played a role. I'm sure he was not welcomed by many when he came back around.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by slimshady_007 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:51 am

NJShore4Life wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:08 am You guys got to remember when Long John went away in the early 80s Ligambi was just a bartender who wasn’t even straightened out, then Long John gets out and Ligambi is boss and his #3 Joe Crutch hates Long John because he killed his family member who was a civilian and a woman. I bet it was a combination of many things. My personal opinion and it is just that an opinion is that Joe Crutch the #3 at the time ordered it in retaliation for killing a civilian, woman family member.
Who was the women that was killed? I never heard anything about that.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by NJShore4Life » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:08 am

You guys got to remember when Long John went away in the early 80s Ligambi was just a bartender who wasn’t even straightened out, then Long John gets out and Ligambi is boss and his #3 Joe Crutch hates Long John because he killed his family member who was a civilian and a woman. I bet it was a combination of many things. My personal opinion and it is just that an opinion is that Joe Crutch the #3 at the time ordered it in retaliation for killing a civilian, woman family member.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by stubbs » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:57 am

dack2001 wrote: Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:46 am By the end of the 80's, it was believed that Long John flipped the Crow in an attempted power move to take control when he got out on his appeal. Long John thought he was close to being released once his appeal was overturned in 86/87. After Crow testified that Long John stroked him into thinking Scarfo was going to kill him and the guys heard Crow testify to whatLong John told him, Nicky put out a hit on Long John and assigned it to his son and George Fresolone in North Jersey. That was in 89/90. All those guys saw Crow testify multiply times, I'm sure they all knew what Long John was up to.

It took 8-9 more years for the court to rule and affirm that Long John and Daidone couldn't be retried on their case. By then Joey had the reins and they were all facing trial and Joe was holding things together. Long John gets out and tries to put something together and the rest was history. I'm sure there was more than one person that had a hard-on for Long John. His power came from his wealth and being around Ang with the unions and dealing drugs, his associates were more of the meth dealing Riccobene/Natale variety. He didn't have a natural power base so his putting out feelers surely raised some eyebrows. I don't doubt that taking trips to Sicily also didn't raise antenna. That's only five years removed from Stanfa bringing Biago and Sergio Battaglia over and Long John was friends with all of Sanfa's guys who were old Riccobene guys. You don't think those zips guys raised eyebrows downtown when they arrived on the scene in the early 90's? I think what George says here makes a ton of sense. He doesn't deny his father made moves to get back in. And he says it very politically too about not wanting to see the guys who did it punished. Very smart.
Great post. There’s an old saying that an account with cosa nostra is never closed. Once you cross the line from civilian to criminal, you can go legit but you can never undo crossing that line.

By that, I mean you can leave the criminal life behind and work a 9-5, but if the guys still in the streets think you’re a liability they can still come after you. Look at Gino DiPietro. Maybe Gino really had turned his life around, but to the mob he was no civilian, just an ex-criminal.

If you want to get out of the life, move far away. But the only true way not to lose the game is to never play.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by dack2001 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:46 am

By the end of the 80's, it was believed that Long John flipped the Crow in an attempted power move to take control when he got out on his appeal. Long John thought he was close to being released once his appeal was overturned in 86/87. After Crow testified that Long John stroked him into thinking Scarfo was going to kill him and the guys heard Crow testify to whatLong John told him, Nicky put out a hit on Long John and assigned it to his son and George Fresolone in North Jersey. That was in 89/90. All those guys saw Crow testify multiply times, I'm sure they all knew what Long John was up to.

It took 8-9 more years for the court to rule and affirm that Long John and Daidone couldn't be retried on their case. By then Joey had the reins and they were all facing trial and Joe was holding things together. Long John gets out and tries to put something together and the rest was history. I'm sure there was more than one person that had a hard-on for Long John. His power came from his wealth and being around Ang with the unions and dealing drugs, his associates were more of the meth dealing Riccobene/Natale variety. He didn't have a natural power base so his putting out feelers surely raised some eyebrows. I don't doubt that taking trips to Sicily also didn't raise antenna. That's only five years removed from Stanfa bringing Biago and Sergio Battaglia over and Long John was friends with all of Sanfa's guys who were old Riccobene guys. You don't think those zips guys raised eyebrows downtown when they arrived on the scene in the early 90's? I think what George says here makes a ton of sense. He doesn't deny his father made moves to get back in. And he says it very politically too about not wanting to see the guys who did it punished. Very smart.

Re: George Martorano on his father's murder

by slimshady_007 » Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:08 pm

Pmac2 wrote: Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:24 pm They went straight to the hit team probably could have gave him a beating. But they sent a message
You never know, maybe some guys gave him a beating and Long John still didn’t get the message. I remember George Anastasia claimed Long John was the one who convinced Nicky the crow to flip. So i think it’s likely Uncle Joe (who was a Scarfo loyalist) had a hard on for Long John the second he got out.

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