by PolackTony » Tue Aug 15, 2023 4:04 pm
John W wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:27 am
In the video he says Carmine Tutti Franzese is Sonny Franzese's nephew, I thought he was his brother?
There has been a lot of confusion on this, as some people in the past claimed that he was Sonny's brother, and some that he was even Sonny's son, and thus one of Michael Franzese's half-brothers. Carmine Salvatore "Tutti" Franzese was in fact Sonny Franzese's nephew, born in Brooklyn in 1932 to Michele "Michael" Franzese and Grace Cosgrove; Tutti Franzese died of cancer in December of 1990, at which time he was living in North Tarrytown (Sleepy Hollow). It was, however, reported erroneously in the papers that Tutti Franzese was Sonny Franzese's "brother" when Tutti was pinched in 1971 for extorting Mobil Oil with Lazzaro San Giovanni and Modesto Santoro.
Per my info, Michele Franzese was born in Brooklyn in 1908 to Maria Romano of Saviano and Carmine Salvatore "the Lion" Francese (the original spelling of the surname, of course), of the neighboring comune of Palma Campania (the towns were part of the old Terra Di Lavoro province until 1927, and border the longtime Camorra hotbeds of Nola, Scisciano [hometown of the Ebolis], Ottaviano [hometown of Paul Ricca and Raffaele Cutolo], and Sarno, Salerno [hometown of a number of members of the Genovese and other NY Families]). The Franzeses had moved back and forth several times between Italy and Brooklyn since the 1890s, with eldest brother Onofrio "Nufrio" Franzese born in Brooklyn in 1904 and youngest brother Giovanni "Sonny" Franzese born in Saviano in December of 1918. In 1920, Maria Romano moved back to Brooklyn to rejoin Carmine with their children permanently, giving Carmine's address at that time as 9 Withers St, by N 9th St and Union Ave in Northside Williamsburg near McCarren Park. Carmine "The Lion" was apparently a significant Camorra leader in Northern Brooklyn who seems to have remained formally independent of the mafia, traveling repeatedly back and forth to Italy until his death in Brooklyn in 1957.
Michele Franzese married Grace Sarah Cosgrove in Brooklyn in 1931. Per my info, she was born in 1914 in Brooklyn to Thomas Cosgrove, born in Quebec to Irish and Quebecois parents, and Julia Bender, born in Queens to Irish or Anglo-American parents. Thus, Tutti was only half-Italian. Per JD, Tutti Franzese was an associate under Joey Brancato, then acting captain of Sonny Franzese's crew. He was sponsored for membership by Brancato and made in February of 1976 in the first Colombo ceremony following the reopening of the books for the NYC Families. In 1980, he was listed as a soldier alongside his cousin Michael in the Franceze crew.
The Greek wrote: ↑Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:52 pm
Found this on another site from Vacari who I think is or was a poster on here:
"Tutti" Franzese Jr. is actually Carmine Franzese III, he is a grandson of Carmine "Tutti the Lion" Franzese Snr and son of Carmine Franzese Jnr. I thought he was Louis son but no. The lion had six sons with John Franzese being the last one born. There are a lot of Carmine Franzese during the 70's and 80's. Tutti the Lion passed away sometime in the late 1950's or early 1960's.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
"Vacari's" information is wrong; or, more accurately, and as is often the case, a mix of factual information and error. Carmine Salvatore Francese and Maria Romano had 10 children in total: 6 daughters and four sons (none of whom were named Carmine Jr). In order of birth, they were:
Filomena "Millie"
Onofrio "Nufrio"
Anna
Michele "Michael"
Giuseppina "Josephine"
Luigi "Louis"
Giovanni "John"
Rosina "Rose
Gilda "Hilda"
Felicia
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According to this OC Shortz video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxK1fJnPIKc
Patsy was Pasquale Senatore, and Frankie was Frank "Beans" Gugliemeli who went as Frankie Meli also.
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In the video he says Carmine Tutti Franzese is Sonny Franzese's nephew, I thought he was his brother?
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There has been a lot of confusion on this, as some people in the past claimed that he was Sonny's brother, and some that he was even Sonny's son, and thus one of Michael Franzese's half-brothers. Carmine Salvatore "Tutti" Franzese was in fact Sonny Franzese's nephew, born in Brooklyn in 1932 to Michele "Michael" Franzese and Grace Cosgrove; Tutti Franzese died of cancer in December of 1990, at which time he was living in North Tarrytown (Sleepy Hollow). It was, however, reported erroneously in the papers that Tutti Franzese was Sonny Franzese's "brother" when Tutti was pinched in 1971 for extorting Mobil Oil with Lazzaro San Giovanni and Modesto Santoro.
Per my info, Michele Franzese was born in Brooklyn in 1908 to Maria Romano of Saviano and Carmine Salvatore "the Lion" Francese (the original spelling of the surname, of course), of the neighboring comune of Palma Campania (the towns were part of the old Terra Di Lavoro province until 1927, and border the longtime Camorra hotbeds of Nola, Scisciano [hometown of the Ebolis], Ottaviano [hometown of Paul Ricca and Raffaele Cutolo], and Sarno, Salerno [hometown of a number of members of the Genovese and other NY Families]). The Franzeses had moved back and forth several times between Italy and Brooklyn since the 1890s, with eldest brother Onofrio "Nufrio" Franzese born in Brooklyn in 1904 and youngest brother Giovanni "Sonny" Franzese born in Saviano in December of 1918. In 1920, Maria Romano moved back to Brooklyn to rejoin Carmine with their children permanently, giving Carmine's address at that time as 9 Withers St, by N 9th St and Union Ave in Northside Williamsburg near McCarren Park. Carmine "The Lion" was apparently a significant Camorra leader in Northern Brooklyn who seems to have remained formally independent of the mafia, traveling repeatedly back and forth to Italy until his death in Brooklyn in 1957.
Michele Franzese married Grace Sarah Cosgrove in Brooklyn in 1931. Per my info, she was born in 1914 in Brooklyn to Thomas Cosgrove, born in Quebec to Irish and Quebecois parents, and Julia Bender, born in Queens to Irish or Anglo-American parents. Thus, Tutti was only half-Italian. Per JD, Tutti Franzese was an associate under Joey Brancato, then acting captain of Sonny Franzese's crew. He was sponsored for membership by Brancato and made in February of 1976 in the first Colombo ceremony following the reopening of the books for the NYC Families. In 1980, he was listed as a soldier alongside his cousin Michael in the Franceze crew.
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Found this on another site from Vacari who I think is or was a poster on here:
"Tutti" Franzese Jr. is actually Carmine Franzese III, he is a grandson of Carmine "Tutti the Lion" Franzese Snr and son of Carmine Franzese Jnr. I thought he was Louis son but no. The lion had six sons with John Franzese being the last one born. There are a lot of Carmine Franzese during the 70's and 80's. Tutti the Lion passed away sometime in the late 1950's or early 1960's.
Posted By: Moe_Tilden
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"Vacari's" information is wrong; or, more accurately, and as is often the case, a mix of factual information and error. Carmine Salvatore Francese and Maria Romano had 10 children in total: 6 daughters and four sons (none of whom were named Carmine Jr). In order of birth, they were:
Filomena "Millie"
Onofrio "Nufrio"
Anna
Michele "Michael"
Giuseppina "Josephine"
Luigi "Louis"
Giovanni "John"
Rosina "Rose
Gilda "Hilda"
Felicia