THE BLACK HAND FORUM

by **Villain** » Thu May 28, 2020 7:36 am

Extortion wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:12 pm
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:49 am over 100 car bombs in the Youngstown area in the early 60's. How many other families used the "Youngstown Tune Up" killing style around the country? I know DeCicco was killed in NYC by way of the bomb but I don't believe that is was a normal way of killing. Bombings were still happening into the late 1970's in the Cleveland/Youngstown area
Frank Balistrieri used a lot of car bombs so did KC and both were suspected in ordering lefty rosenthals bombing because they didnt like him

It was a fuckin karma lol just kidding but Lefty himself used more then few bombs to convince people during the 60s. You see, Lefty came up under Dave Yaras and Lenny Patrick and so during the mid 60s Yaras took Lefty down to Miami with him. They constantly met each other to talk business at the Miami Beach Bayshore Country Club, which in fact was Dave’s headquarters. Lefty was Dave’s frontman and operator at the Multiple Sports News Service, which provided the “line” for bookmakers of sport events on national basis.

During June and July 1967, on the orders of Yaras, Lefty purchased explosives, detonators, guns and ammunition to be used against rival bookmakers. For example, Alfie Mart was a Miami bookmaker and his headquarters got blown up for resisting the services of Lefty’s company. Also the automobile of Irving “Mickey” Zion, another Miami bookmaker, was blown to pieces, followed by the cleaning shop of another Miami bookmaker Jack “Chappie” Rand which was also bombed and totally destroyed.

by **Mustangsally** » Thu May 28, 2020 3:23 am

Villain wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 7:20 am
Mustangsally wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 5:23 am
Extortion wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 pm Thanks for the lists. I didnt realize anybody had the list for
Chicago. I heard joey aiuppa loved approving hits according to frank cullota
I think it was in that same video that he claimed he was "made" in Vegas. I always thought he was an associate. Any truth to his claim?
Its not true, Cullotta was never official made member of the Chi Outfit besides being one of Spilotros top lieutenants. Spilotro didnt have the authority to make Cullotta, mainly because Tony wasnt the boss and he wasnt even a capo at the time

Thanks!

by **Pogo The Clown** » Wed May 27, 2020 12:28 pm

Extortion wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:12 pm
JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:49 am over 100 car bombs in the Youngstown area in the early 60's. How many other families used the "Youngstown Tune Up" killing style around the country? I know DeCicco was killed in NYC by way of the bomb but I don't believe that is was a normal way of killing. Bombings were still happening into the late 1970's in the Cleveland/Youngstown area
Frank Balistrieri used a lot of car bombs so did KC and both were suspected in ordering lefty rosenthals bombing because they didnt like him

That reminds me how in the 1970s the Rochester family set off some random bombs in the city to make the Feds think it was terrorism so that they would focus less on LCN.

Pogo

by **Villain** » Wed May 27, 2020 7:20 am

Mustangsally wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 5:23 am
Extortion wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 pm Thanks for the lists. I didnt realize anybody had the list for
Chicago. I heard joey aiuppa loved approving hits according to frank cullota
I think it was in that same video that he claimed he was "made" in Vegas. I always thought he was an associate. Any truth to his claim?

Its not true, Cullotta was never official made member of the Chi Outfit besides being one of Spilotros top lieutenants. Spilotro didnt have the authority to make Cullotta, mainly because Tony wasnt the boss and he wasnt even a capo at the time

by **slimshady_007** » Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 am

Most violent in the 90’s- Colombos and Philadelphia. Both families had inter- family wars in the early 90’s and also had trigger happy bosses.
Most violent in the 2000’s- Westside. Whacked 3 made guys from 2003-2007.

by **Mustangsally** » Tue May 26, 2020 5:23 am

Extortion wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 pm Thanks for the lists. I didnt realize anybody had the list for
Chicago. I heard joey aiuppa loved approving hits according to frank cullota

I think it was in that same video that he claimed he was "made" in Vegas. I always thought he was an associate. Any truth to his claim?

by **Extortion** » Thu May 21, 2020 4:14 pm

So I think the conclusion is...

Chicago just overall
DeMeo/Westies/Gambinos 1970/early 80s
Montreal war
Philly 1980s

by **Extortion** » Thu May 21, 2020 4:12 pm

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri May 15, 2020 10:49 am over 100 car bombs in the Youngstown area in the early 60's. How many other families used the "Youngstown Tune Up" killing style around the country? I know DeCicco was killed in NYC by way of the bomb but I don't believe that is was a normal way of killing. Bombings were still happening into the late 1970's in the Cleveland/Youngstown area

Frank Balistrieri used a lot of car bombs so did KC and both were suspected in ordering lefty rosenthals bombing because they didnt like him

by **Extortion** » Thu May 21, 2020 3:55 pm

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 7:34 am Finally I found the 1970s murders list

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3171

1. March 21, 1970: Carmen Trotta (unknown)
2. August, 1970: Michael Albergo (Frank Calabrese)
3. September 28, 1970: Mario Sprovieri (possibly by Tony Spilotro)
4. January 2, 1971: Rosario Corriero (unknown)
5. June 17, 1971: Robert Pronger (William Dauber and Steve Ostrowsky)
6. October 19, 1971: Sam Cesario (Harry Aleman)
7. December 15, 1971: Henry LaKey (possibly Tony Spilotro)
8. March 10, 1972: Charles Carroll (unknown)
9. August 8, 1972: Guido Fidanzi (William Dauber)
10. September 2, 1972: Roger Croach (William Dauber and Donald Boye)
11. September 3, 1972: Mike Ragan (William Dauber and John Schnadenberg)
12. September 27, 1972: William Logan (Harry Aleman)
13. April 14, 1973: Sam DeStefano (Mario DeStefano and Tony Spilotro)
14. June 23, 1973: William Klim (NV) (Tony Spilotro)
15. November 22, 1973: Samuel Marcello (possibly by Wayne Cascone and James Erwin)
16. November 22, 1973: Joseph Grisafe (possibly by Wayne Cascone and James Erwin)
17. December 20, 1973: Richard Cain (Harry Aleman, Joey Lombardo and Frank Schweihs)
18. January 27, 1974: Wayne Cascone (James Erwin)
19. February 24, 1974: Socrates Rantis (Gerald Scarpelli and James Erwin)
20. April 21, 1974: William Simone (unknown)
21. June 14, 1974: Anthony Dichiarinte (possibly by Joey Lombardo)
22. July 13, 1974: Orion Williams (Harry Aleman)
23. September 27, 1974: Daniel Seifert (Frank Schweihs and Joseph Lombardo)
24. September 28, 1974: Robert Harder (Harry Aleman and possibly James Inendino)
25. December 27, 1974: Richard Mazzone (unknown)
26. January 16, 1975: Carlo DeVivo (Harry Aleman and possibly Frank Schweihs)
27. February 12, 1975: Jack West (AZ) (Nick D’Andrea and Robert Hardin)
28. February 15, 1975: Ed Lazar (AZ) (Nick D’Andrea and Robert Hardin)
29. April 29, 1975: Anthony Battaglia (unknown)
30. May 12, 1975: Ronald Magliano (Harry Aleman)
31. May 12, 1975: Marty Buccieri (NV) (possibly by Tony Spilotro)
32. June 5, 1975: Harry Holzer (MI) (Edward McCabe)
33. June 5, 1975: Linda Holzer (MI) (Edward McCabe)
34. June 19, 1975: Salvatore Giancana (Dominic Blasi and possibly Angelo LaPietra)
35. July 14, 1975: Christopher Cardi (Harry Aleman and William Petrocelli)
36. August 28, 1975: Frank Goulakos (Harry Aleman)
37. August 30, 1975: Nick Galanos (Harry Aleman)
38. September 6, 1975: Walter Wellington (IA) (unknown)
39. October 6, 1975: Louis Bombacino (AZ) (possibly by Paul Schiro and Tony Amadio)
40. October 31, 1975: Anthony Reitinger (Harry Aleman and William Petrocelli)
41. November 10, 1975: Tamara Rand (CA) (Tony Spilotro)
42. December 3, 1975: Ned Bakes (Gerald Scarpelli)
43. January 20, 1976: Frank DeLegge, Jr. (unknown)
44. January 31, 1976: Louis DeBartolo (Harry Aleman)
45. February 6, 1976: Rita Payonk (unknown)
46. June 24, 1976: Paul Haggerty (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Frank Saladino, Ronnie Jarrett)
47. May 1, 1976: James Erwin (Harry Aleman and possibly Jimmy Indendino)
48. June 13, 1976: Don Bolles (AZ) (John Harvey Adamson, William Rocco D'Ambrosio and Frank Mossuto)
49. August 9, 1976: Giovanni Roselli (FL) (unknown)
50. October 5, 1976: Steven Ostrowsky (Edelmiro DeJesus)
51. January 13, 1977: Norman Lang (William Dauber)
52. February 12, 1977: James Villareal (unknown)
53. February 12, 1977: Sam Rivera (unknown)
54. March 2, 1977: Ben Byer (unknown)
55. March 4, 1977: Patrick Marusarz (possibly by Jimmy Cozzo and John DiFronzo)
56. March 15, 1977: Henry Cosentino (Frank Calabrese and Ronnie Jarrett)
57. March 29, 1977: Charles Nicoletti (possibly by Harry Aleman and Frank Schweihs)
58. April 4, 1977: John Lourgos (unknown)
59. June 13, 1977: Richard Ferraro (Gerald Scarpelli)
60. June 14, 1977: Thomas McCarthy (William Petrocelli)
61. June 15, 1977: Joseph Theo (Gerald Scarpelli)
62. July 3, 1977: John Schneider (unknown)
63. July 12, 1977: Earl Abercrombie, Jr. (unknown)
64. July 13, 1977: Morris Saletko (unknown)
65. July 22, 1977: Mark Thanasouras (possibly by Jimmy Cozzo and John DiFronzo)
66. July 22, 1977: Joseph LaRose (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
67. July 22, 1977: John Vische (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
68. July 22, 1977: Donald Marchbanks (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
69. July 22, 1977: Malcolm Russell (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
70. July 25, 1977: Samuel Annerino (Joseph Scalise, William Petrocelli and Anthony Borsellino)
71. August 25, 1977: James Palaggi (unknown)
72. October 18, 1977: Ray Ryan (IN) (possibly by Marshall Caifano)
73. December 13, 1977: Leo Filippi (unknown)
74. December 22, 1977: Richard Crofton (unknown)
75. January 20, 1978: Bernard Ryan (John DiFronzo and possibly Jimmy Cozzo)
76. February 2, 1978: Steven Garcia (Nick and Frank Calabrese)
77. February 4, 1978: Vincent Moretti (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Ronnie Jarrett, Frank Sladino, John Fecarotta)
78. February 4, 1978: Donald Renno (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Ronnie Jarrett, Frank Sladino, John Fecarotta)
79. February 20, 1978: John Mendell (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Ronnie Jarrett, Frank Sladino)
80. March 17, 1978: Dino Valente (Nick D’Andrea)
81. April 3, 1978: Frank Smith, Jr. (unknown)
82. April 6, 1978: Robert Hertogs (Jack Farmer)
83. April 14, 1978: John McDonald (possibly by Anthony Borsellino and Gerald Carusiello)
84. July 28, 1978: James Catuara (possibly by Frank Schweihs)
85. September 8, 1978: Melvin Young (Robert Siegel)
86. September 27, 1978: Robert Vaca (possibly by Jimmy Inendino)
87. March 11, 1979: George Christofalos (Anthony Borsellino, Gerald Scarpelli and Jerry Scalise)
88. April, 1979: Robert Hatridge (OH) (possibly by Jerry Scalise)
89. May 22, 1979: Anthony Borsellino (Gerald Scarpelli)
90. June 1, 1979: Timothy O'Brien (Gerald Scarpelli)
91. September 28, 1979: Gerald Carusiello (Gerald Scarpelli)
92. October 10, 1979: Sherwin Lisner (NV) (Frank Cullotta)
93. November 14, 1979: Michael Oliver (William Petrocelli, Robert Salerno, Gerry Scarpelli, Joseph Scalise, Michael Sarno and Salvatore Cataudella)
94. December, 12, 1979: Henry Lopez (IN) (Edelmiro DeJesus)

See this is what I’m talking about. And it goes into the 80s as well. Once Pat Marcy was removed there wasn’t an Outfit murder in Chicago for 9-10 years. They had the ability to get away with murder because of the first ward. Philadelphia doesn’t even come close and neither does the Colombos. Like when people say the Colombos are the most murderous...Yeah, no Chicago was. Chicago at the time was probably around the same size as the Colombos but maybe with less made members and equal associates numbering equally.

by **furiofromnaples** » Thu May 21, 2020 2:05 am

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 10:58 am
furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 3:32 am
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 10:23 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:10 pm 1920-1979 - Chicago
1980-1985 - Philly
1986-1994 - Lucchese
1995-2003 - Philly
2003-Present - ?

Pogo
if the bonanno's are involved in the canada (montreal/ontario) mafia war as it would seem to tell them
No,the Rizzuto was de facto independent from the 1970s and definitly after Sciaccia murder.If they would be part of Bonannos,Sal Montagna would be appointed as Montreal capo after Rizzuto deportation.
if the rizzuto's are not under the bonanno's, who they belong to? siciliana mafia or what? i think massino and vitale said they were a bonanno crew at least until the late '90

They are a sicilian mob family. Nicolò Rizzuto started as a mobster in Cattolica Eraclea then went to Canada in the 1950s where Carmine Galante then the underboss was sent to Montreal to create a canadian crew.
In the sixth family book is write that after Joe Bonanno was forced to retire,the weakness of the family bosses let the Rizzutos (that in the 1978 killed Violi that was the calabrian boss in montreal) to be more and more independent.
Anyway the Rizzutos had ties with the bonannos due the drug trade but after Sciascia murder they cut this link.

by **scagghiuni** » Wed May 20, 2020 10:58 am

furiofromnaples wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 3:32 am
scagghiuni wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 10:23 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:10 pm 1920-1979 - Chicago
1980-1985 - Philly
1986-1994 - Lucchese
1995-2003 - Philly
2003-Present - ?

Pogo
if the bonanno's are involved in the canada (montreal/ontario) mafia war as it would seem to tell them
No,the Rizzuto was de facto independent from the 1970s and definitly after Sciaccia murder.If they would be part of Bonannos,Sal Montagna would be appointed as Montreal capo after Rizzuto deportation.

if the rizzuto's are not under the bonanno's, who they belong to? siciliana mafia or what? i think massino and vitale said they were a bonanno crew at least until the late '90

by **furiofromnaples** » Wed May 20, 2020 3:32 am

scagghiuni wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 10:23 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:10 pm 1920-1979 - Chicago
1980-1985 - Philly
1986-1994 - Lucchese
1995-2003 - Philly
2003-Present - ?

Pogo
if the bonanno's are involved in the canada (montreal/ontario) mafia war as it would seem to tell them

No,the Rizzuto was de facto independent from the 1970s and definitly after Sciaccia murder.If they would be part of Bonannos,Sal Montagna would be appointed as Montreal capo after Rizzuto deportation.

by **scagghiuni** » Tue May 19, 2020 10:23 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 5:10 pm 1920-1979 - Chicago
1980-1985 - Philly
1986-1994 - Lucchese
1995-2003 - Philly
2003-Present - ?

Pogo

if the bonanno's are involved in the canada (montreal/ontario) mafia war as it would seem to tell them

by **Villain** » Tue May 19, 2020 9:45 am

I think that the 1976 Jay Vandermark hit is missing from the list and so that makes it 95 hits

by **furiofromnaples** » Tue May 19, 2020 7:34 am

Finally I found the 1970s murders list

viewtopic.php?f=29&t=3171

1. March 21, 1970: Carmen Trotta (unknown)
2. August, 1970: Michael Albergo (Frank Calabrese)
3. September 28, 1970: Mario Sprovieri (possibly by Tony Spilotro)
4. January 2, 1971: Rosario Corriero (unknown)
5. June 17, 1971: Robert Pronger (William Dauber and Steve Ostrowsky)
6. October 19, 1971: Sam Cesario (Harry Aleman)
7. December 15, 1971: Henry LaKey (possibly Tony Spilotro)
8. March 10, 1972: Charles Carroll (unknown)
9. August 8, 1972: Guido Fidanzi (William Dauber)
10. September 2, 1972: Roger Croach (William Dauber and Donald Boye)
11. September 3, 1972: Mike Ragan (William Dauber and John Schnadenberg)
12. September 27, 1972: William Logan (Harry Aleman)
13. April 14, 1973: Sam DeStefano (Mario DeStefano and Tony Spilotro)
14. June 23, 1973: William Klim (NV) (Tony Spilotro)
15. November 22, 1973: Samuel Marcello (possibly by Wayne Cascone and James Erwin)
16. November 22, 1973: Joseph Grisafe (possibly by Wayne Cascone and James Erwin)
17. December 20, 1973: Richard Cain (Harry Aleman, Joey Lombardo and Frank Schweihs)
18. January 27, 1974: Wayne Cascone (James Erwin)
19. February 24, 1974: Socrates Rantis (Gerald Scarpelli and James Erwin)
20. April 21, 1974: William Simone (unknown)
21. June 14, 1974: Anthony Dichiarinte (possibly by Joey Lombardo)
22. July 13, 1974: Orion Williams (Harry Aleman)
23. September 27, 1974: Daniel Seifert (Frank Schweihs and Joseph Lombardo)
24. September 28, 1974: Robert Harder (Harry Aleman and possibly James Inendino)
25. December 27, 1974: Richard Mazzone (unknown)
26. January 16, 1975: Carlo DeVivo (Harry Aleman and possibly Frank Schweihs)
27. February 12, 1975: Jack West (AZ) (Nick D’Andrea and Robert Hardin)
28. February 15, 1975: Ed Lazar (AZ) (Nick D’Andrea and Robert Hardin)
29. April 29, 1975: Anthony Battaglia (unknown)
30. May 12, 1975: Ronald Magliano (Harry Aleman)
31. May 12, 1975: Marty Buccieri (NV) (possibly by Tony Spilotro)
32. June 5, 1975: Harry Holzer (MI) (Edward McCabe)
33. June 5, 1975: Linda Holzer (MI) (Edward McCabe)
34. June 19, 1975: Salvatore Giancana (Dominic Blasi and possibly Angelo LaPietra)
35. July 14, 1975: Christopher Cardi (Harry Aleman and William Petrocelli)
36. August 28, 1975: Frank Goulakos (Harry Aleman)
37. August 30, 1975: Nick Galanos (Harry Aleman)
38. September 6, 1975: Walter Wellington (IA) (unknown)
39. October 6, 1975: Louis Bombacino (AZ) (possibly by Paul Schiro and Tony Amadio)
40. October 31, 1975: Anthony Reitinger (Harry Aleman and William Petrocelli)
41. November 10, 1975: Tamara Rand (CA) (Tony Spilotro)
42. December 3, 1975: Ned Bakes (Gerald Scarpelli)
43. January 20, 1976: Frank DeLegge, Jr. (unknown)
44. January 31, 1976: Louis DeBartolo (Harry Aleman)
45. February 6, 1976: Rita Payonk (unknown)
46. June 24, 1976: Paul Haggerty (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Frank Saladino, Ronnie Jarrett)
47. May 1, 1976: James Erwin (Harry Aleman and possibly Jimmy Indendino)
48. June 13, 1976: Don Bolles (AZ) (John Harvey Adamson, William Rocco D'Ambrosio and Frank Mossuto)
49. August 9, 1976: Giovanni Roselli (FL) (unknown)
50. October 5, 1976: Steven Ostrowsky (Edelmiro DeJesus)
51. January 13, 1977: Norman Lang (William Dauber)
52. February 12, 1977: James Villareal (unknown)
53. February 12, 1977: Sam Rivera (unknown)
54. March 2, 1977: Ben Byer (unknown)
55. March 4, 1977: Patrick Marusarz (possibly by Jimmy Cozzo and John DiFronzo)
56. March 15, 1977: Henry Cosentino (Frank Calabrese and Ronnie Jarrett)
57. March 29, 1977: Charles Nicoletti (possibly by Harry Aleman and Frank Schweihs)
58. April 4, 1977: John Lourgos (unknown)
59. June 13, 1977: Richard Ferraro (Gerald Scarpelli)
60. June 14, 1977: Thomas McCarthy (William Petrocelli)
61. June 15, 1977: Joseph Theo (Gerald Scarpelli)
62. July 3, 1977: John Schneider (unknown)
63. July 12, 1977: Earl Abercrombie, Jr. (unknown)
64. July 13, 1977: Morris Saletko (unknown)
65. July 22, 1977: Mark Thanasouras (possibly by Jimmy Cozzo and John DiFronzo)
66. July 22, 1977: Joseph LaRose (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
67. July 22, 1977: John Vische (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
68. July 22, 1977: Donald Marchbanks (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
69. July 22, 1977: Malcolm Russell (possibly by Paul Schiro and Joey Hansen)
70. July 25, 1977: Samuel Annerino (Joseph Scalise, William Petrocelli and Anthony Borsellino)
71. August 25, 1977: James Palaggi (unknown)
72. October 18, 1977: Ray Ryan (IN) (possibly by Marshall Caifano)
73. December 13, 1977: Leo Filippi (unknown)
74. December 22, 1977: Richard Crofton (unknown)
75. January 20, 1978: Bernard Ryan (John DiFronzo and possibly Jimmy Cozzo)
76. February 2, 1978: Steven Garcia (Nick and Frank Calabrese)
77. February 4, 1978: Vincent Moretti (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Ronnie Jarrett, Frank Sladino, John Fecarotta)
78. February 4, 1978: Donald Renno (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Ronnie Jarrett, Frank Sladino, John Fecarotta)
79. February 20, 1978: John Mendell (Nick and Frank Calabrese, Ronnie Jarrett, Frank Sladino)
80. March 17, 1978: Dino Valente (Nick D’Andrea)
81. April 3, 1978: Frank Smith, Jr. (unknown)
82. April 6, 1978: Robert Hertogs (Jack Farmer)
83. April 14, 1978: John McDonald (possibly by Anthony Borsellino and Gerald Carusiello)
84. July 28, 1978: James Catuara (possibly by Frank Schweihs)
85. September 8, 1978: Melvin Young (Robert Siegel)
86. September 27, 1978: Robert Vaca (possibly by Jimmy Inendino)
87. March 11, 1979: George Christofalos (Anthony Borsellino, Gerald Scarpelli and Jerry Scalise)
88. April, 1979: Robert Hatridge (OH) (possibly by Jerry Scalise)
89. May 22, 1979: Anthony Borsellino (Gerald Scarpelli)
90. June 1, 1979: Timothy O'Brien (Gerald Scarpelli)
91. September 28, 1979: Gerald Carusiello (Gerald Scarpelli)
92. October 10, 1979: Sherwin Lisner (NV) (Frank Cullotta)
93. November 14, 1979: Michael Oliver (William Petrocelli, Robert Salerno, Gerry Scarpelli, Joseph Scalise, Michael Sarno and Salvatore Cataudella)
94. December, 12, 1979: Henry Lopez (IN) (Edelmiro DeJesus)

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