THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Peppermint wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 10:38 am

JIGGS wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 9:30 am

Peppermint wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:24 pm

JIGGS wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:30 pm
Bunch of words

I’m sorry, but, I’m not going to derail the entire thread again trying to explain it to you.

You can take it or leave it, but the mob today is not nearly as powerful as you’re making them out to be. Let alone anyone of their individual members, except the power and influence they exert over other criminals. If anything you’re saying would apply to the mob today, they would be worth billions and that simply isn’t so.

All you have said is a bunch a words. Some s%$c cartel has more power influence in kalamazoo than the mob has in the usa? Get the fuck out a here. Gene borelli has more power and influence as a podcaster than your precious russian tolstoy gangsters in the middle of a tundra. What they do corner the ice racket market in russia? And how the fuck would you know the mob isn't powerful? Everuthing I wrote can be backed up with a federal case accusing the fucks a w hat Im saying. Where is your bullshit coming from? Now today during the lockdown aint nobody worh a shit. But you honestly believe that the american lcn didnt reach a billion as a whole in 2019? Did you see how much gambino members campos and martino made with their construction scam? That was just two guys. Your soarly mistaken pal. You already derailed this thread with your crazy conspiricy stories about some ruskies and spics down under and across the ocean. What is ypur bullshit based on if it simply aint so? Other than your own crazy opinion? Easy.

JIGGS

I never said the mob wasn’t ever powerful, just that they aren’t anymore. At one point in time, I could make the argument they had so much influence over the means of the nation that it rivaled the government. But not anymore, nope. Now they’re just criminals trying to hold onto what little they have left.

But no, I don’t think even in the slightest bit that a single one of these guys is worth even close to a billion dollars. They’re not even worth a hundred million dollars. If Cartel figures were on the Forbes list of billionaires, so would some mafioso. Doesn’t matter how much they made in their construction scam, because it sure as shit was no billion dollars lol.

JIGGS wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2020 9:30 am

Peppermint wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:24 pm

JIGGS wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:30 pm
Bunch of words

I’m sorry, but, I’m not going to derail the entire thread again trying to explain it to you.

You can take it or leave it, but the mob today is not nearly as powerful as you’re making them out to be. Let alone anyone of their individual members, except the power and influence they exert over other criminals. If anything you’re saying would apply to the mob today, they would be worth billions and that simply isn’t so.

All you have said is a bunch a words. Some s%$c cartel has more power influence in kalamazoo than the mob has in the usa? Get the fuck out a here. Gene borelli has more power and influence as a podcaster than your precious russian tolstoy gangsters in the middle of a tundra. What they do corner the ice racket market in russia? And how the fuck would you know the mob isn't powerful? Everuthing I wrote can be backed up with a federal case accusing the fucks a w hat Im saying. Where is your bullshit coming from? Now today during the lockdown aint nobody worh a shit. But you honestly believe that the american lcn didnt reach a billion as a whole in 2019? Did you see how much gambino members campos and martino made with their construction scam? That was just two guys. Your soarly mistaken pal. You already derailed this thread with your crazy conspiricy stories about some ruskies and spics down under and across the ocean. What is ypur bullshit based on if it simply aint so? Other than your own crazy opinion? Easy.

JIGGS

Peppermint wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:24 pm

JIGGS wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:30 pm
Bunch of words

I’m sorry, but, I’m not going to derail the entire thread again trying to explain it to you.

You can take it or leave it, but the mob today is not nearly as powerful as you’re making them out to be. Let alone anyone of their individual members, except the power and influence they exert over other criminals. If anything you’re saying would apply to the mob today, they would be worth billions and that simply isn’t so.

Extortion wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:20 pm Did you guys know JIGGS is Jiggs Forlanos grandson?

Extortion wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 4:20 pm Did you guys know JIGGS is Jiggs Forlanos grandson?

Peppermint wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:24 pm

JIGGS wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:30 pm
Bunch of words

I’m sorry, but, I’m not going to derail the entire thread again trying to explain it to you.

You can take it or leave it, but the mob today is not nearly as powerful as you’re making them out to be. Let alone anyone of their individual members, except the power and influence they exert over other criminals. If anything you’re saying would apply to the mob today, they would be worth billions and that simply isn’t so.

JIGGS wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 8:30 pm
Bunch of words

Peppermint wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 2:35 pm Yes, you could argue that it wouldn’t be possible for them to operate in a similar fashion as they do in Russia in America as well. But are you sure? Because the Solntsevskaya Bratva has completely infiltrated the ranks of the Russian intelligence apparatus and it’s that same apparatus that is actively spreading mass disinformation, and actively trying to meddle in our political system. Whether they assisted Trump or not, is obviously up for debate and something I don’t personally believe in. But what is true is that they did attempt a massive interference in our election process, and did aide Clinton in stealing the nomination from Sanders. There are a monotony of cables released by Wikileaks that indicate exactly that.

The American Italian mob can hardly be considered powerful or influential anymore when there are organized crime rings that wield true power and influence in comparison.

The only influence they wield, and only power they hold over people, are criminals. They barely hold a grip over crooked cops anymore, because law enforcement has become such a bureaucracy that it’s not possible to have the police in your pockets and internal affairs not figure it out. You can thank Corporate America for rendering the Mob into just another fraternity that’s involved in the occasional shady activity, that on the grand scheme of things is soft as baby shit compared to what they used to do.

So honestly, what influence and power do they actually have anymore? I lurk through a lot of threads here, some that discuss the past, others that discuss the mob now, and the impression I get is that they’re no longer a force to be reckoned with. They kind of just exist now.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Wed May 20, 2020 6:24 pm Gohn you da man.

Peppermint wrote: ↑Wed May 06, 2020 12:06 pm I wouldn’t personally call any family today, powerful or influential. Cartel guys pull more swing in their own countries, than any of these guys do in America today. The Solntsevskaya Bratva, for example, Wikileaks revealed that the Russian FSB acts as umbrella to their operations. That is what I call power and influence.

Maybe back in the day the various Italian mobs were wielding that kind of status. But not anymore, what they have today is a hallow degraded sense of their former selves.

Prove me wrong.