by Peppermint » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:35 pm
Amershire_Ed wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:20 pm
Peppermint wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:18 pm
All prisons are shit holes unless you’re rich, and you commit white collar crimes. White collar prisons are a walk in the park, might as well be a massive quarantine facility.
Don’t even get me started on country club prisons, like where Martin Shkreli is. The man literally made a mockery about it after his sentencing. Wanna talk about organized crime operating legally, just look at pharmaceutical corporations. But this isn’t about that...
Don’t think federal prisons are shit holes? Go commit a federal offense that isn’t a white collar crime, and that isn’t bad enough to land you on Federal death row, and let us know how that works out for you.
Yeah I’ve seen people who did Fed time in the 70s, 80s, and 90s talk about the federal experience then vs now. Back then the Feds were mostly big dogs. It wasn’t filled with addicts, petty thieves, and bottom of the barrel crooks the way it is today.
I just read this article about the SHU program at Pelican Bay, which is 23 hour lock down, and inmates have almost no human contact with other prisoners. The wardens and gang investigators were saying the problem is that too many gangsters come there and get *more* powerful. And *more* influential. And richer. And they were like “what the hell are we supposed to do, if we cut off 98% of their human interactions, monitor all their communications, keep them in a cell for 23 hours a day, AND they still find a way to gain power and influence in organized crime circles?
Gotta do it the way the Russians do, look into a federal institution there called “Black Dolphin” unless they’re some how greasing the guards, there is no possible way they can make moves from the inside there. There is a National Geographic documentary. This is where they hold all their criminals guilty of the highest crimes, so a lot of Russian Mafia bratva guys are locked down there.
Locked down 23 and a half hours a day, you’re locked within a cell, that’s within a cell, that’s locked behind a nuclear blast door. You’re monitored 24 hours a day by camera within the cell, and every 10 minute a guard comes by to make sure you’re not only not doing anything illegal, but also to make sure you aren’t even laying in bed anymore. Inmates are within these cells with one other inmate, neither are allowed to speak to each other, and both are required to literally pace around their cells, from the moment they’re ordered to wake up to the moment they order lights out, they aren’t even allowed to sit unless it’s to eat their gruel, so lights out is the only time they’re allowed to be off their feet. They’re not allowed visitors, phone calls, nor are they allowed to receive or send mail. When they’re moved through out the prison, primarily to bring them out for their 45 min outdoor recreation time, they’re constantly bent at a 90 degree angle, face down, with a hood over their face so they can’t see who is escorting them or where they’re going, they have zero perspective on how the prison is even laid out.
Hands down scariest prison I ever heard of, would rather spend the rest of my life in Pelican bay, or some where shittier like a Mexican prison. Then even spend a year in Russia’s Black Dolphin, at least in these other facilities you still have your human dignity despite the conditions. Over in Black Dolphin, you are completely and utterly dehumanized.
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All prisons are shit holes unless you’re rich, and you commit white collar crimes. White collar prisons are a walk in the park, might as well be a massive quarantine facility.
Don’t even get me started on country club prisons, like where Martin Shkreli is. The man literally made a mockery about it after his sentencing. Wanna talk about organized crime operating legally, just look at pharmaceutical corporations. But this isn’t about that...
Don’t think federal prisons are shit holes? Go commit a federal offense that isn’t a white collar crime, and that isn’t bad enough to land you on Federal death row, and let us know how that works out for you.
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Yeah I’ve seen people who did Fed time in the 70s, 80s, and 90s talk about the federal experience then vs now. Back then the Feds were mostly big dogs. It wasn’t filled with addicts, petty thieves, and bottom of the barrel crooks the way it is today.
I just read this article about the SHU program at Pelican Bay, which is 23 hour lock down, and inmates have almost no human contact with other prisoners. The wardens and gang investigators were saying the problem is that too many gangsters come there and get *more* powerful. And *more* influential. And richer. And they were like “what the hell are we supposed to do, if we cut off 98% of their human interactions, monitor all their communications, keep them in a cell for 23 hours a day, AND they still find a way to gain power and influence in organized crime circles?
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Gotta do it the way the Russians do, look into a federal institution there called “Black Dolphin” unless they’re some how greasing the guards, there is no possible way they can make moves from the inside there. There is a National Geographic documentary. This is where they hold all their criminals guilty of the highest crimes, so a lot of Russian Mafia bratva guys are locked down there.
Locked down 23 and a half hours a day, you’re locked within a cell, that’s within a cell, that’s locked behind a nuclear blast door. You’re monitored 24 hours a day by camera within the cell, and every 10 minute a guard comes by to make sure you’re not only not doing anything illegal, but also to make sure you aren’t even laying in bed anymore. Inmates are within these cells with one other inmate, neither are allowed to speak to each other, and both are required to literally pace around their cells, from the moment they’re ordered to wake up to the moment they order lights out, they aren’t even allowed to sit unless it’s to eat their gruel, so lights out is the only time they’re allowed to be off their feet. They’re not allowed visitors, phone calls, nor are they allowed to receive or send mail. When they’re moved through out the prison, primarily to bring them out for their 45 min outdoor recreation time, they’re constantly bent at a 90 degree angle, face down, with a hood over their face so they can’t see who is escorting them or where they’re going, they have zero perspective on how the prison is even laid out.
Hands down scariest prison I ever heard of, would rather spend the rest of my life in Pelican bay, or some where shittier like a Mexican prison. Then even spend a year in Russia’s Black Dolphin, at least in these other facilities you still have your human dignity despite the conditions. Over in Black Dolphin, you are completely and utterly dehumanized.