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TChandler wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:23 pm I'm also from down under and the Calabrians (Barbaros) at one stage got busted for the largest ecstasy bust in the world.

It's always been about drugs for those guys and still is.

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MSFRD wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:31 am

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:17 am

MSFRD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:13 am From an Australian perspective, the criminal element has been ‘dumbed down’ considerably from 30-40 years ago. The underworld has changed immensely.
First, there are many who are in it who should not be there. We underestimate the influence and power of Hollywood on the minds of the young; being a ‘gangster’ and emulation of the lifestyle of Tony Montana has drawn many kids who just aren’t cut out for this lifestyle. This has exploded with social media. The ability to project an image and engage in disorganised violence draws many disaffected kids to crime.
Secondly, the newcomers to this world engage in primarily one thing: drug trafficking. It’s not very difficult to sell drugs and make exorbitant amounts of money.
The way I hear the ‘knowledgeable’ posters speak of the old neighbourhood guys sitting around trying to think of scores, and hustling to make a dollar or build a racket reminds me of the old-school Australian crims. The old-school underworld was full of crims who had to have some brains, had to use their cunning ability to make a living in the shadows.
Of course, there are and always will be the men who do not wish to play by the rules and are naturally adept at deception, with the ability to skirt the law and make a living. But they are saturated by young thugs influenced by tv, or the drug affected bottom-feeders; both of these do not have the ability to pull off intricate scams, or white-collar crimes. Yet, they are now the majority in a world they don’t belong in. Most likely these wannabe’s are the vast majority of the recruitment pool for the modern LCN.

Forgive me, but this entire statement strikes me as bullshit...

Didnt the Australian Calabrians get their start from growing and selling marijuana?

The Calabrian’s got their start in the fruit and vegetable racket. Without going into too much detail because I can’t be bothered, they have rackets that require more brains and sophistication than low-level drug dealing and trafficking; the majority of which is done by men who lack the brains to get into more complex scams/rackets.

In times gone by, there were was a larger proportion of men who went in to the underworld with more street smarts and the ability to set up long-term rackets. Most were also ‘schooled’ in the ways of the world and the code to abide by. Most knew someone or had relatives who brought them around. Drug dealing or trafficking at the lower levels now constitutes the majority of the criminal element and the crimes on its periphery. Incidentally, the number of people who before would not have been able to be accepted amongst the milieu, are now a part of and constitute the majority of criminals. It has dramatically altered the underworld fabric. Hence my comment about ‘dumbed down’.

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:17 am

MSFRD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:13 am From an Australian perspective, the criminal element has been ‘dumbed down’ considerably from 30-40 years ago. The underworld has changed immensely.
First, there are many who are in it who should not be there. We underestimate the influence and power of Hollywood on the minds of the young; being a ‘gangster’ and emulation of the lifestyle of Tony Montana has drawn many kids who just aren’t cut out for this lifestyle. This has exploded with social media. The ability to project an image and engage in disorganised violence draws many disaffected kids to crime.
Secondly, the newcomers to this world engage in primarily one thing: drug trafficking. It’s not very difficult to sell drugs and make exorbitant amounts of money.
The way I hear the ‘knowledgeable’ posters speak of the old neighbourhood guys sitting around trying to think of scores, and hustling to make a dollar or build a racket reminds me of the old-school Australian crims. The old-school underworld was full of crims who had to have some brains, had to use their cunning ability to make a living in the shadows.
Of course, there are and always will be the men who do not wish to play by the rules and are naturally adept at deception, with the ability to skirt the law and make a living. But they are saturated by young thugs influenced by tv, or the drug affected bottom-feeders; both of these do not have the ability to pull off intricate scams, or white-collar crimes. Yet, they are now the majority in a world they don’t belong in. Most likely these wannabe’s are the vast majority of the recruitment pool for the modern LCN.

Forgive me, but this entire statement strikes me as bullshit...

Didnt the Australian Calabrians get their start from growing and selling marijuana?

CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:17 am

MSFRD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:13 am From an Australian perspective, the criminal element has been ‘dumbed down’ considerably from 30-40 years ago. The underworld has changed immensely.
First, there are many who are in it who should not be there. We underestimate the influence and power of Hollywood on the minds of the young; being a ‘gangster’ and emulation of the lifestyle of Tony Montana has drawn many kids who just aren’t cut out for this lifestyle. This has exploded with social media. The ability to project an image and engage in disorganised violence draws many disaffected kids to crime.
Secondly, the newcomers to this world engage in primarily one thing: drug trafficking. It’s not very difficult to sell drugs and make exorbitant amounts of money.
The way I hear the ‘knowledgeable’ posters speak of the old neighbourhood guys sitting around trying to think of scores, and hustling to make a dollar or build a racket reminds me of the old-school Australian crims. The old-school underworld was full of crims who had to have some brains, had to use their cunning ability to make a living in the shadows.
Of course, there are and always will be the men who do not wish to play by the rules and are naturally adept at deception, with the ability to skirt the law and make a living. But they are saturated by young thugs influenced by tv, or the drug affected bottom-feeders; both of these do not have the ability to pull off intricate scams, or white-collar crimes. Yet, they are now the majority in a world they don’t belong in. Most likely these wannabe’s are the vast majority of the recruitment pool for the modern LCN.

Forgive me, but this entire statement strikes me as bullshit...

Didnt the Australian Calabrians get their start from growing and selling marijuana?

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:38 am The Majority of Brooklyn, 95% of Manhattan, and Western Queens like Astoria & Long Island City are all people from places like Kansas who thought it would be cool to move to NYC and/or tons of douchebag hipsters (especially in Brooklyn).

I am 35 years old and caught the very tail end of the dying real New York but my Father tells me stories about it from the 60s and 70s growing up right across the river in Jersey and going into the City at 13 years old to drink and smoke weed in the city and see concerts in the village. I just pray nobody fucks with the Jersey Shore and ruins it next, I would be devastated.

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:38 am The Majority of Brooklyn, 95% of Manhattan, and Western Queens like Astoria & Long Island City are all people from places like Kansas who thought it would be cool to move to NYC and/or tons of douchebag hipsters (especially in Brooklyn).

I am 35 years old and caught the very tail end of the dying real New York but my Father tells me stories about it from the 60s and 70s growing up right across the river in Jersey and going into the City at 13 years old to drink and smoke weed in the city and see concerts in the village. I just pray nobody fucks with the Jersey Shore and ruins it next, I would be devastated.

UTC wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:50 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:08 pm Quarter pounder with cheese.
The caddy of burgers.
Ketchup n mustard.

Now if you add Lettuce and tomato to your burger (which is absolutely fine) you add mayo.

Those are the rules. Don’t fuck with them and you’ll be fine. Just the burger n cheese: just ketchup n mustard. You add tomato n lettuce, you add the mayo.
We clear?


But hotdogs are a different subject....that’s all up in the air that shit....

I like Big Macs too, but they're all around.

MSFRD wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:13 am From an Australian perspective, the criminal element has been ‘dumbed down’ considerably from 30-40 years ago. The underworld has changed immensely.
First, there are many who are in it who should not be there. We underestimate the influence and power of Hollywood on the minds of the young; being a ‘gangster’ and emulation of the lifestyle of Tony Montana has drawn many kids who just aren’t cut out for this lifestyle. This has exploded with social media. The ability to project an image and engage in disorganised violence draws many disaffected kids to crime.
Secondly, the newcomers to this world engage in primarily one thing: drug trafficking. It’s not very difficult to sell drugs and make exorbitant amounts of money.
The way I hear the ‘knowledgeable’ posters speak of the old neighbourhood guys sitting around trying to think of scores, and hustling to make a dollar or build a racket reminds me of the old-school Australian crims. The old-school underworld was full of crims who had to have some brains, had to use their cunning ability to make a living in the shadows.
Of course, there are and always will be the men who do not wish to play by the rules and are naturally adept at deception, with the ability to skirt the law and make a living. But they are saturated by young thugs influenced by tv, or the drug affected bottom-feeders; both of these do not have the ability to pull off intricate scams, or white-collar crimes. Yet, they are now the majority in a world they don’t belong in. Most likely these wannabe’s are the vast majority of the recruitment pool for the modern LCN.

UTC wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:49 pm

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:57 am My favorite thing about New Yorkers is when they travel to other parts of the country and whine about how there is "no culture" in those places.

I've had to listen to this three times in Las Vegas so far and it will never stop being funny. I mean, it's a resort city out in the desert. The fuck were they expecting, Broadway?

My advice to these people? Just stop leaving New York, easiest thing in the world.

The only New Yorkers who say this do absolutely nothing of a cultural nature.

SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:08 pm Quarter pounder with cheese.
The caddy of burgers.
Ketchup n mustard.

Now if you add Lettuce and tomato to your burger (which is absolutely fine) you add mayo.

Those are the rules. Don’t fuck with them and you’ll be fine. Just the burger n cheese: just ketchup n mustard. You add tomato n lettuce, you add the mayo.
We clear?


But hotdogs are a different subject....that’s all up in the air that shit....

Ivan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:57 am My favorite thing about New Yorkers is when they travel to other parts of the country and whine about how there is "no culture" in those places.

I've had to listen to this three times in Las Vegas so far and it will never stop being funny. I mean, it's a resort city out in the desert. The fuck were they expecting, Broadway?

My advice to these people? Just stop leaving New York, easiest thing in the world.