by Peppermint » Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:03 pm
SantoClaus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:14 am
I read it in either a book on Trafficante or Marcello, that they wanted to do it in a state they controlled. They agreed on Florida, but the weather was horrible, so they moved it to Texas the next week, cause Marcello controlled that state.
If true, think of the depth of influence/network to be able to shift the murder of the president of USA, from one week to another, and pull it off.
Although I never heard anything about this in particular, I don’t see why not. Like I was going to say to Pogo before he told me he was just quoting a movie with his reply to my post, all the people involved in preparing that parade, and participating in that parade, that wasn’t a government employee, were all unionized workers or city planners and these are groups of people the mob has always notoriously had in their pockets.
Plus, if that is true, it makes total sense. I can imagine taking a clean sniper shot, regardless of how in-depth you were trained to take out a world leader, is something that’s not easy to do in shitty weather. Gotta deal with the wind messing up bullet projectory, among other things.
Bklyn21 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:03 am
Peppermint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:16 pm
queensnyer wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:53 am
Peppermint wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:17 am
I could make the argument that John F. Kennedy, was the most powerful non-Italian associate in the mob, ever. His father was a boot-legger during the time of probation, and supplied many mobbed up speakeasies with booze, and his father’s mob debt followed their family for multiple generations, and I am sure to some degree it still does today.
The Kennedy’s both Jackie and John, were frequent visitors at my great grandfather’s night club, The Peppermint Lounge, which he ran as a front for Johnny Biello and the Genovese family. They were such avid regulars, than upon moving into the White House, Jackie arranged to have a Peppermint Lounge sign displayed on the White House interior walls. Some say it was the Genovese family, perhaps even the Outfit, although I suspect it was the Genovese family considered he would often attend one of their establishments. That used their influence, and pull to get him elected but obviously that has never been proven.
There are multiple accounts of Kennedy and the CIA contracting the Mafia in the midst of the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, to assassinate Castro. A simple Google search will show you tons of articles, documentation, and books all about this.
Also, JFK and Frank Sinatra were swing partners who would take turns having sex with Marilyn Monroe after hopping from mob bar to mob bar. Anyway...
ive heard that before...its very interesting,,, definitely wouldn't go on today. not smart or powerful enough, and also completely different world than those times
Yeah definitely a thing of the past, you’ll never see another President elected with sponsorship from the mob ever again, that’s for sure.
Apparently they supplied the gangsters they contracted with all kinds of crazy gadgets, and training. Really makes you wonder who actually was responsible for killing Kennedy. Could have been Lee Harvey, or the CIA, or maybe it was the mob. I mean after all they did basically render two made hitmen into trained assassins, they were specifically being trained to take out the leader of another country, so why couldn’t that training apply to assassinating Kennedy?
Just food for thought, don’t forget, his father’s mob debt followed that family for generations. They may have even been responsible for assassinating his brother Bobby too. Too bad my great grandfather isn’t still living, he probably knew a thing or two about this during his time running the Peppermint. I hope I can make it to my Aunt’s still this summer, so I can get access to the photo of him with Jackie. They all knew each other personally.
I have zero reason to think or believe it was anyone else but the Mafia that hit both brothers ! The Mafia at this point in time was a Powerhouse and basically rivaled the US government and controlled the entire country on numerous levels
It’s definitely one of the many many theories that make the most sense. There are just so many factors in the mob’s theorized involvement, that are just too much to be coincidence. Like how they hired the mob, and trained them to assassinate Castro, then just some short time later Kennedy is killed instead, and then another short time after the second Kennedy is killed. And if Kennedy was affiliated, there is no doubt Johnson wasn’t, and so if this is the case, then they definitely colluded with Johnson.
My question though, is why would the mob kill Kennedy? I can’t imagine it was just from the debt his father piled up from his boot legging days. Because as President, Kennedy could have finally paid the mob off. Something else must have happened.
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I read it in either a book on Trafficante or Marcello, that they wanted to do it in a state they controlled. They agreed on Florida, but the weather was horrible, so they moved it to Texas the next week, cause Marcello controlled that state.
If true, think of the depth of influence/network to be able to shift the murder of the president of USA, from one week to another, and pull it off.
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Although I never heard anything about this in particular, I don’t see why not. Like I was going to say to Pogo before he told me he was just quoting a movie with his reply to my post, all the people involved in preparing that parade, and participating in that parade, that wasn’t a government employee, were all unionized workers or city planners and these are groups of people the mob has always notoriously had in their pockets.
Plus, if that is true, it makes total sense. I can imagine taking a clean sniper shot, regardless of how in-depth you were trained to take out a world leader, is something that’s not easy to do in shitty weather. Gotta deal with the wind messing up bullet projectory, among other things.
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I could make the argument that John F. Kennedy, was the most powerful non-Italian associate in the mob, ever. His father was a boot-legger during the time of probation, and supplied many mobbed up speakeasies with booze, and his father’s mob debt followed their family for multiple generations, and I am sure to some degree it still does today.
The Kennedy’s both Jackie and John, were frequent visitors at my great grandfather’s night club, The Peppermint Lounge, which he ran as a front for Johnny Biello and the Genovese family. They were such avid regulars, than upon moving into the White House, Jackie arranged to have a Peppermint Lounge sign displayed on the White House interior walls. Some say it was the Genovese family, perhaps even the Outfit, although I suspect it was the Genovese family considered he would often attend one of their establishments. That used their influence, and pull to get him elected but obviously that has never been proven.
There are multiple accounts of Kennedy and the CIA contracting the Mafia in the midst of the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba, to assassinate Castro. A simple Google search will show you tons of articles, documentation, and books all about this.
Also, JFK and Frank Sinatra were swing partners who would take turns having sex with Marilyn Monroe after hopping from mob bar to mob bar. Anyway...
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ive heard that before...its very interesting,,, definitely wouldn't go on today. not smart or powerful enough, and also completely different world than those times
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Yeah definitely a thing of the past, you’ll never see another President elected with sponsorship from the mob ever again, that’s for sure.
Apparently they supplied the gangsters they contracted with all kinds of crazy gadgets, and training. Really makes you wonder who actually was responsible for killing Kennedy. Could have been Lee Harvey, or the CIA, or maybe it was the mob. I mean after all they did basically render two made hitmen into trained assassins, they were specifically being trained to take out the leader of another country, so why couldn’t that training apply to assassinating Kennedy?
Just food for thought, don’t forget, his father’s mob debt followed that family for generations. They may have even been responsible for assassinating his brother Bobby too. Too bad my great grandfather isn’t still living, he probably knew a thing or two about this during his time running the Peppermint. I hope I can make it to my Aunt’s still this summer, so I can get access to the photo of him with Jackie. They all knew each other personally.
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I have zero reason to think or believe it was anyone else but the Mafia that hit both brothers ! The Mafia at this point in time was a Powerhouse and basically rivaled the US government and controlled the entire country on numerous levels
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It’s definitely one of the many many theories that make the most sense. There are just so many factors in the mob’s theorized involvement, that are just too much to be coincidence. Like how they hired the mob, and trained them to assassinate Castro, then just some short time later Kennedy is killed instead, and then another short time after the second Kennedy is killed. And if Kennedy was affiliated, there is no doubt Johnson wasn’t, and so if this is the case, then they definitely colluded with Johnson.
My question though, is why would the mob kill Kennedy? I can’t imagine it was just from the debt his father piled up from his boot legging days. Because as President, Kennedy could have finally paid the mob off. Something else must have happened.