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Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by Grouchy Sinatra » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:02 am

In fact the only time anyone above Paulie is mentioned in Goodfellas is when Paulie tells Henry that Gribbs Trumanti is busting his chops about Billy Batts' whereabouts. Gribbs sure as heck wasn't praising Jimmy.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by dack2001 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:05 am

I stand by what I said about Moldea, I wouldn't waste my time on him.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by Grouchy Sinatra » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:35 pm

I think Goodfellas accurately betrays Jimmy Burke's stature. Goodfellas if I'm not mistaken is the first movie ever to clarify a distinction between made guys and associates. Even The Godfather doesn't go into. We don't see anyone above Paul Vario's rank in Goodfellas let alone anyone above him praising Jimmy.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by Amershire_Ed » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:31 pm

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:11 pm
dack2001 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:41 am Most qualified expert? Give me a break. Moldea doesn't understand Cosa Nostra and he doesn't understand Hoffa's relationship to it. Moldea was only against the Irishman because it stole his thunder and probably got the book he planned to write canceled. The theory he's been parenting for years has never made sense. There is no way Jersey goes to Detroit and takes out Hoffa and drives him back to Jersey. Just doesn't happen. The only good book he ever wrote was the Hoffa Wars and that was before he got under the umbrella with Gus Russo and Thane Eugene Caesar.

I felt the Irishman was irresponsible because it molested history in such a way that people may actually believe it in 50 years. That's sad to me.
What's sad is that 30 years later, people still believe Goodfellas was true...Henry Hill was a meth head loser, Jimmy Conway was a hitman and not respected by the upper echelon of the family. It was exaggerated. Sad. BUT A GREAT MOVIE
I don’t know if people think Goodfellas is true, but I do know most people assume it’s the most realistic—which nearly every mob guy that’s opined on the subject agrees with. I know Gravano says he thinks Godfather is the most realistic but LOL come on.

I don’t nexesaarily mind if a film that’s based on a true story has to change a couple things up here and there, as long as the essence of the subject is captured and the environment they existed in is portrayed accurately. Which is why I thoroughly enjoyed the Irishman. Even if some of the mob stuff is wrong or incomplete, I think it does a good job portraying the various eras and timeframes.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by outfit guy » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:43 pm

Maybe he did farm to Charlie Allen and yes, I don't believe Gallo. No, he did not kill Hoffa but could very well have been in the car. True, you can lure him with Giacalone (Billy - I said that prior). But a great deal of his relationship with Bufalino is true. I'm not sure Bufalino needed Angelo Bruno to authorize a hit. I don't doubt Sheeran pulled the trigger on someone in his life; nor do I doubt he farmed to Allen.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by JCB1977 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:11 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:41 am Most qualified expert? Give me a break. Moldea doesn't understand Cosa Nostra and he doesn't understand Hoffa's relationship to it. Moldea was only against the Irishman because it stole his thunder and probably got the book he planned to write canceled. The theory he's been parenting for years has never made sense. There is no way Jersey goes to Detroit and takes out Hoffa and drives him back to Jersey. Just doesn't happen. The only good book he ever wrote was the Hoffa Wars and that was before he got under the umbrella with Gus Russo and Thane Eugene Caesar.

I felt the Irishman was irresponsible because it molested history in such a way that people may actually believe it in 50 years. That's sad to me.
What's sad is that 30 years later, people still believe Goodfellas was true...Henry Hill was a meth head loser, Jimmy Conway was a hitman and not respected by the upper echelon of the family. It was exaggerated. Sad. BUT A GREAT MOVIE

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by JCB1977 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:08 pm

This lead should at least be warranted to dig:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/eric-sh ... ied-killed

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by Confederate » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:07 pm

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:01 pm
dack2001 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:41 am Most qualified expert? Give me a break. Moldea doesn't understand Cosa Nostra and he doesn't understand Hoffa's relationship to it. Moldea was only against the Irishman because it stole his thunder and probably got the book he planned to write canceled. The theory he's been parenting for years has never made sense. There is no way Jersey goes to Detroit and takes out Hoffa and drives him back to Jersey. Just doesn't happen. The only good book he ever wrote was the Hoffa Wars and that was before he got under the umbrella with Gus Russo and Thane Eugene Caesar.

I felt the Irishman was irresponsible because it molested history in such a way that people may actually believe it in 50 years. That's sad to me.
Irresponsible? It was a theory, a movie, fiction, Hollywood, like every other fucking movie. Goodfellas was bogus, not true, over exaggerated...Same with Brasco, Godfather etc. ALL FICTION. ALL INTERPRETATIONS. HOLLYWOOD. And Moldea has more knowledge than all of us put together.
100% Correct. All Hollywood Movies about the Mob are way over exaggerated to make them interesting. The Godfather was bigger than life itself. What New York Family ever had a Father & his sons running the whole Family with an Irish Consigliere who was adopted? :lol:
Never the less, it was a GREAT MOVIE. That's it.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by JCB1977 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:01 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:41 am Most qualified expert? Give me a break. Moldea doesn't understand Cosa Nostra and he doesn't understand Hoffa's relationship to it. Moldea was only against the Irishman because it stole his thunder and probably got the book he planned to write canceled. The theory he's been parenting for years has never made sense. There is no way Jersey goes to Detroit and takes out Hoffa and drives him back to Jersey. Just doesn't happen. The only good book he ever wrote was the Hoffa Wars and that was before he got under the umbrella with Gus Russo and Thane Eugene Caesar.

I felt the Irishman was irresponsible because it molested history in such a way that people may actually believe it in 50 years. That's sad to me.
Irresponsible? It was a theory, a movie, fiction, Hollywood, like every other fucking movie. Goodfellas was bogus, not true, over exaggerated...Same with Brasco, Godfather etc. ALL FICTION. ALL INTERPRETATIONS. HOLLYWOOD. And Moldea has more knowledge than all of us put together.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by Amershire_Ed » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:31 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:41 am Most qualified expert? Give me a break. Moldea doesn't understand Cosa Nostra and he doesn't understand Hoffa's relationship to it. Moldea was only against the Irishman because it stole his thunder and probably got the book he planned to write canceled. The theory he's been parenting for years has never made sense. There is no way Jersey goes to Detroit and takes out Hoffa and drives him back to Jersey. Just doesn't happen. The only good book he ever wrote was the Hoffa Wars and that was before he got under the umbrella with Gus Russo and Thane Eugene Caesar.

I felt the Irishman was irresponsible because it molested history in such a way that people may actually believe it in 50 years. That's sad to me.
Is Moldea’s theory that the body was taken back to Jersey? I didn’t think it was. I thought that was someone else.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by dack2001 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:08 pm

Hey, outfit guy, I think Sheeran claiming he pulled the trigger on Hoffa, Gallo etc. is molesting history. We can differ on that definition. Hoffa family says he would have gotten into a car with Sheeran, granted he was close to Detroit in proximity at the time but I'm not buying he had any involvement because Detroit didn't need him to lure Hoffa anywhere. Hoffa would meet with the Giacalones. Sheeran is a guy sitting in his office drinking all day, farming out sloppy hits to bums like Charlie Allen on behalf of Bufalino, who had to go to Bruno for permission to even make the hit, and burning down buildings for insurance and intimidation and catching 10 years for his trouble. Sheeran beat a case where he would have gotten life. If he doesn't beat that case nobody hears the name or ever cares he existed. I don't think the Irishman is close to the truth and that it becomes even somewhat fact is sad.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by outfit guy » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:10 am

By DETROIT men. Why the hell fly to Detroit to murder a man and leave yourself with no alibi nor a place to dispose. They needed Sally Bugs to pull a trigger?

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by outfit guy » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:08 am

Moldea is a mouthpiece like Capeci. The only "new" information is the ramblings of grandchildren and children in N.J. Even the FBI is now backpedaling given the common sense reality that Detroit killed and incinerated Hoffa. The Irishman does not molest history. We know little of Bufalino's operations and the murders he ordered. We do know from the Irishman, and through photos and documentary evidence, that Sheeran was as tight as can be with the Don. The Hoffa family insists Sheeran would have been needed to lure him into a car. Again, that bond substantiates his relationship with Hoffa; so that is not a "molestation" of history.
Sally Bugs, I'll pontificate, was not even in Detroit. Further, I don't think any of them in Detroit. Hoffa was picked up and quickly dispatched and either incinerated or sausage meat within, literally, no more than 2 hours.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by dack2001 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:41 am

Most qualified expert? Give me a break. Moldea doesn't understand Cosa Nostra and he doesn't understand Hoffa's relationship to it. Moldea was only against the Irishman because it stole his thunder and probably got the book he planned to write canceled. The theory he's been parenting for years has never made sense. There is no way Jersey goes to Detroit and takes out Hoffa and drives him back to Jersey. Just doesn't happen. The only good book he ever wrote was the Hoffa Wars and that was before he got under the umbrella with Gus Russo and Thane Eugene Caesar.

I felt the Irishman was irresponsible because it molested history in such a way that people may actually believe it in 50 years. That's sad to me.

Re: Chuckie O’Brien died

by JCB1977 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:10 pm

JCB1977 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:08 pm
Pete wrote: ↑Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:05 pm
Grouchy Sinatra wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:06 pm I like a lot of Moldea's writing and appreciate his efforts on the topic but yeah he was really annoying with his anti-Irishman campaign. All movies deviate from the facts. lol. There's nothing more annoying than when people nit pick at movies like that.
Agreed it’s. A movie. All mob movies different from the truth
Agreed. And regarding Moldea @dack, he is arguably the most qualified expert on the case. He has more intel and access to sensitive information than all of us put together. He sees it from a different lens than you or I.

In regards to the movie, it was based off a “theory.” As any film or doc is on Hoffa because we don’t know the truth. I found the film fascinating...but I took it with a grain of salt. I just appreciated the cast, the director and the soundtrack. We’ll never know the truth...Ever.

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