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Re: News from Italy

by cobra » Wed Apr 23, 2025 5:54 am

scagghiuni wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:22 am
cobra wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:58 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
- 111 families and 2280 members looks ok to me
- i think dia had some numbers in the reports years ago
- from my memory, so i can be wrong
- palermo average 20 members per family
- trapani average 50 member per family
- 2280 ÷ 111 = 20.54
2280 members in Palermo province only, 78 families
- you are correct, i read wrongly
- so 2280 ÷ 78 = 29.23
- looks ok but will need to research

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:22 am

cobra wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:58 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
- 111 families and 2280 members looks ok to me
- i think dia had some numbers in the reports years ago
- from my memory, so i can be wrong
- palermo average 20 members per family
- trapani average 50 member per family
- 2280 ÷ 111 = 20.54
2280 members in Palermo province only, 78 families

Re: News from Italy

by cobra » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:58 pm

scagghiuni wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
- 111 families and 2280 members looks ok to me
- i think dia had some numbers in the reports years ago
- from my memory, so i can be wrong
- palermo average 20 members per family
- trapani average 50 member per family
- 2280 ÷ 111 = 20.54

Re: News from Italy

by SonnyBlackstein » Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:44 pm

scagghiuni wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:40 am
there are hierarchies and superstructures that do not exist in America, for example 3 or more united families form the 'mandamento' led by the 'capomandamento', who is also a member of the provincial commission... yes, they have associates, I think 5 on average for each soldier, the time in which they are recruited depends
Youre a good man, thank you for your contributions!

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:40 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:21 am
scagghiuni wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:52 am
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:06 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
Interesting point is each family is around 16-20 members.

The obvious follow up is how are they structured. You hardly have 3 admin capos and soldiers. You'd be left with 2 soldiers per crew.
So how are 20 member italian families organised?
the structure of a family is the same as the american Cosa Nostra: boss, underboss, consigliere, capodecina, soldier
How is that viable with 15 to 20 odd members?

And do Italians have associates? Which are on record with a soldier? If so how many on avg would a soldier have and what avg length would they have to serve before getting made?
there are hierarchies and superstructures that do not exist in America, for example 3 or more united families form the 'mandamento' led by the 'capomandamento', who is also a member of the provincial commission... yes, they have associates, I think 5 on average for each soldier, the time in which they are recruited depends

Re: News from Italy

by SonnyBlackstein » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:21 am

scagghiuni wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:52 am
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:06 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
Interesting point is each family is around 16-20 members.

The obvious follow up is how are they structured. You hardly have 3 admin capos and soldiers. You'd be left with 2 soldiers per crew.
So how are 20 member italian families organised?
the structure of a family is the same as the american Cosa Nostra: boss, underboss, consigliere, capodecina, soldier
How is that viable with 15 to 20 odd members?

And do Italians have associates? Which are on record with a soldier? If so how many on avg would a soldier have and what avg length would they have to serve before getting made?

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:52 am

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:06 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
Interesting point is each family is around 16-20 members.

The obvious follow up is how are they structured. You hardly have 3 admin capos and soldiers. You'd be left with 2 soldiers per crew.
So how are 20 member italian families organised?
the structure of a family is the same as the american Cosa Nostra: boss, underboss, consigliere, capodecina, soldier

Re: News from Italy

by SonnyBlackstein » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:06 pm

scagghiuni wrote: Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm
SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province
Interesting point is each family is around 16-20 members.

The obvious follow up is how are they structured. You hardly have 3 admin capos and soldiers. You'd be left with 2 soldiers per crew.
So how are 20 member italian families organised?

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:15 pm

SonnyBlackstein wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm
scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."
there is a mistake because if you add up all the members you get to more than 2000 across the Palermo province

Re: News from Italy

by SonnyBlackstein » Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:31 pm

scagghiuni wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm
Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra
"The Palermo area is divided into 14 districts and 78 families , for a total of 1540 members.

The city of Palermo is divided into 8 districts , in which 33 families are located

The rest of the Province of Palermo is divided into 6 districts and 45 families , for a total of 740 members."

Re: News from Italy

by Pogo The Clown » Sun Apr 20, 2025 4:31 pm

They got more buttons than my grandmother's corset.


Pogo

Re: News from Italy

by scagghiuni » Sun Apr 20, 2025 1:26 pm

Proletarian187 wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?
according to the late estimates there are 1540 made members in Palermo city and 740 in the province

https://www.wikimafia.it/wiki/Categoria ... osa_Nostra

Re: News from Italy

by Proletarian187 » Sun Apr 20, 2025 11:32 am

Are there any good recent investigations or studies estimating membership numbers and activity of individual families in Sicily?

Kinda like a score card haha.. I assume it will be in italian, but maybe some sources are more translatable or just better compiled and more luminous?

Re: News from Italy

by Juice Terry » Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:14 pm

Italian police arrest 24 suspected mafiosi over Naples parking protection racket

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... dApp_Other

Italian police have arrested 24 suspected members of the Camorra – the notorious Neapolitan mafia – on charges of drug trafficking, arms possession and running an illegal parking attendant scheme.

According to investigators, several of those arrested on Monday were reportedly affiliated with well-known Camorra families operating in the Fuorigrotta and Chiaia districts of Naples. Some were already serving jail sentences.

Investigators said the Troncone and Frizziero clans, in addition to involvement in the drug trade and cigarette smuggling, were behind a parking scheme in which drivers felt compelled by “attendants” to pay extra fees in order to ensure their vehicles remained untouched when parked.

The practice is widespread in southern Italy and, according to a report by the Greens and Left Alliance political grouping, there are approximately 2,400 illegal parking attendants operating in Naples alone. Many of them are thought to be affiliated with Camorra clans, and the illicit trade allegedly generates more than €100m (£86m) a year.

In other areas, unauthorised attendants are forced to pay protection money to mobsters in order to be allowed to operate within territories controlled by the mafia.

“Illegal parking attendants essentially demand a protection fee, a pizzo, from drivers,” said Francesco Emilio Borrelli, an MP for the Greens and Left Alliance.

“They even ask you to pay when you park in areas that are already marked for payment. If you refuse, you are threatened, your car can be damaged or, even worse, you can be physically assaulted.”

Borrelli himself has been beaten and threatened on several occasions by illegal attendants in Naples. In one instance, he says, they even attempted to run him over with a car.

Borrelli said the problem was that, under the law, acting as an unauthorised parking attendant was not considered a criminal offence. “Offenders merely receive a token fine,” he added. “If we don’t change the law, these clans will continue to exploit citizens for their own profit.”

Last year, the police discovered that during Napoli football matches, or for concerts at the Stadio Maradona, prices for parking in lots managed by unauthorised attendants fluctuated between €15 and €20, climbing as high as €30 during Champions League or high-profile league matches

Re: News from Italy

by Wiseguy » Mon Apr 07, 2025 10:50 am

The Italian mafia’s tentacles in Colombia: Cheaper cocaine and ties with the Gulf Clan

https://www.google.com/amp/s/english.el ... utType=amp

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