by Villain » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:32 am
bert wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:43 pm
Villain wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:37 am
HairyKnuckles wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:25 am
bert wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:13 am
I think Genovese was too quick to kill, and in those days a boss could do it easier,
He was very trigger happy. He´s up there with Albert Anastasia. Read somewhere that Vito Genovese was the only man Anastasia was afraid of.
I think that it depends from the time period....for example Capone and his gang were quite trigger happy but that was the only way to take control of the second largest city at the time and Capone unknowingly "sacrificed" himself because of that. As for the 40s and 50s, i think that it was too late for such methods...and thats why bosses like Costello and Ricca were well regarded in those days, both from the underworld and upper class
A question Villain, do you think the wars between the Irish and Italian mobs over rackets, plus the groups of mixed mobs also in the picture contributed to the crazy amount of killings in Chicago as opposed to New York? Thinking about it now, New York and a few other cities did good job of working together with other gangs, or at least better than Chicago. Chicago of the 1920's -1930's was worse than Philadelphia in the 1980's.
You might be right, although I personally think that the whole mixed racial thing had nothing to do with the high body count. For example, one Jewish faction from the West Side area supported the Sicilian Mafia, including the O'Banion/Drucci gang, while on the other hand we have another Jewish group but from the South Side which supported the non-Sicilians or the Capone Mob. Same story goes for all of the Greeks, Germans, the Irish and English, Pollacks etc.
So all of these ethnicities, including the Italians who were in the middle, had to choose between the two most powerful and largest crime organizations in Chicago at the time, which in fact was the main reason behind the large body count. I also believe that the whole massacre which occurred in the city, was simply a bloody political war created by two of the most powerful New York crime families at the time, meaning they continued or started the conflict on a different turf. Dont forget that almost all of the main Chicago players from that era arrived from or at least passed through the Brooklyn area
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I think Genovese was too quick to kill, and in those days a boss could do it easier,
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He was very trigger happy. He´s up there with Albert Anastasia. Read somewhere that Vito Genovese was the only man Anastasia was afraid of.
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I think that it depends from the time period....for example Capone and his gang were quite trigger happy but that was the only way to take control of the second largest city at the time and Capone unknowingly "sacrificed" himself because of that. As for the 40s and 50s, i think that it was too late for such methods...and thats why bosses like Costello and Ricca were well regarded in those days, both from the underworld and upper class
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A question Villain, do you think the wars between the Irish and Italian mobs over rackets, plus the groups of mixed mobs also in the picture contributed to the crazy amount of killings in Chicago as opposed to New York? Thinking about it now, New York and a few other cities did good job of working together with other gangs, or at least better than Chicago. Chicago of the 1920's -1930's was worse than Philadelphia in the 1980's.
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You might be right, although I personally think that the whole mixed racial thing had nothing to do with the high body count. For example, one Jewish faction from the West Side area supported the Sicilian Mafia, including the O'Banion/Drucci gang, while on the other hand we have another Jewish group but from the South Side which supported the non-Sicilians or the Capone Mob. Same story goes for all of the Greeks, Germans, the Irish and English, Pollacks etc.
So all of these ethnicities, including the Italians who were in the middle, had to choose between the two most powerful and largest crime organizations in Chicago at the time, which in fact was the main reason behind the large body count. I also believe that the whole massacre which occurred in the city, was simply a bloody political war created by two of the most powerful New York crime families at the time, meaning they continued or started the conflict on a different turf. Dont forget that almost all of the main Chicago players from that era arrived from or at least passed through the Brooklyn area