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Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Wiseguy » Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:49 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:19 pm The Spilotro brothers murders was pretty brutal (still tame by Outfit standards). Watching your brother being beaten to death before its your turn. Were they buried alive? I vaguely recall reading that the coroner made a mistake and they were in fact already dead when they were put in the hole.


Pogo
Yeah, it was falsely reported the coroner had said there was dirt in their lungs, which was taken to mean they were still breathing when they were put in the hole. But the coroner testified during trial that he never said that. And, given Nick Calabrese's account, they were dead when they were taken out of the house and put in the car trunk for transport.

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Pogo The Clown » Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:19 pm

The Spilotro brothers murders was pretty brutal (still tame by Outfit standards). Watching your brother being beaten to death before its your turn. Were they buried alive? I vaguely recall reading that the coroner made a mistake and they were in fact already dead when they were put in the hole.


Pogo

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Villain » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:11 pm

Also Tommy Durso was a corrupt detective who was vicious the same way as DeStefano

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Villain » Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:55 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:30 am Although tame by Outfit standards Anselmi, Scalise and Giunta beating beaten to death by baseball bats by Capone and his crew was pretty brutal. Shades of Casino and the cornfield scene. The Outfit was always particularly violent and vicious even by mob standards.


Pogo
To tell you the truth Pogo, ive seen the photots of the bodies and also some medical reports, both from Scalise and Anselmi, together with Guinta, and you will notice that they look like "beauties" compared to some of the peviously mentioned cases.

I also dont believe in the whole "Joe Batters" legend since ive never seen any type of wound on their bodies which was made by a baseball bat, only bullet holes and few bruises which were far from the ones that couldve been made by a baseball bat. Maybe Accardo kicked the shit of someone else and received the nickname, but it definitely wasnt from the hits on Anselmi and Scalise. They were two of the most toughest guys in the Chicago Mafia at the time...

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Pogo The Clown » Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:30 am

Although tame by Outfit standards Anselmi, Scalise and Giunta beating beaten to death by baseball bats by Capone and his crew was pretty brutal. Shades of Casino and the cornfield scene. The Outfit was always particularly violent and vicious even by mob standards.


Pogo

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Villain » Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:25 am

It seems that the Outfit usually used their capos and crew bosses to do their most dirty work, directly to the victim.

I recently came to some files which indicate that during the late 50s and early 60s, Outfit capo Fiore Buccieri received orders directly from Giancana (sometimes through Blasi) to eliminate some individuals...if you read the whole files, you might get the impression that Buccieri executed the contracts by himself but i highly doubt that was the case, altough you can never tell with these guys

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Confederate » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:54 am

Pogo The Clown wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:29 pm
Wiseguy wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:10 pm James Torello: Jackson was hung up on that meat hook. He was so heavy he bent it. He was on that thing three days before he croaked.

Frank Buccieri (giggling): Jackie, you shoulda seen the guy. Like an elephant, he was, and when Jimmy hit him with that electric prod...

Torello (excitedly): He was floppin' around on that hook, Jackie. We tossed water on him to give the prod a better charge, and he's screamin'....

(Excerpt from FBI wiretap of Cosa Nostra telephone conversation relating to murder of William Jackson)




This was part of the preface to the book The Exorcist, which had a few quotes relating to evil.

Looks like the torture was even worse than we thought. :o Some real sick bastards in the Outfit. Who else was involved besides Torello and Buccieri? My memory is real hazy but I seem to recall Mad Sam and Tony Spilotro also taking part. I know it was mentionen in the Spilotro book.

He had many cuts and burns all over his body, his chest had been crushed and he had a hole in his right ear from some type of sharp object.

Jackson was impaled through his rectum with a meat hook, hanging a foot in the air, while being questioned by mob enforcers. Jackson kept insisting he was not an informer but his torturers did not believe him. They stripped him naked, smashed his kneecaps with a bat, one of them shot him with a gun, broke his ribs, stuck him with sharp objects, used a cattle prod on his penis and anus making him lose his bowels, burned parts of his body with a blow torch, and told him how they were going to kill his wife and children if he did not confess. Then they left him for three days until he finally succumbed to his wounds.
Confederate wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:14 pm I also read somewhere (can't remember) that Sam DeStefano was a devil worshipper. Either way, a truly sick, evil, demented man.

From Wikipedia. Yeah he definitely was not playing with a full deck.
DeStefano's partner in the drug dealing business was rogue cop Tommy Dorso. Dorso said he once saw DeStefano roll on the floor, with spit running from his mouth, begging Satan to show him mercy and screaming over and over again, "I'm your servant; command me."
According to Ovid Demaris who wrote a great book on the Outfit called "Captive City", the information about the murder came about on a wire. Jack Cerone was there for the torture murder along with Fiore Buccieri. Apparently, Jackson worked as a juice collector for both Fiore Buccieri & Sam DeStefano. It was actually the idea of Cerone to use the cattle prod and it was Fiore Buccieri who actually shoved it all the way up Jackson's ass.
Jesus, these guys were mentally ill sick bastards. If they were trying to send message, the message was loud and clear to any potential informant.

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Villain » Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:39 pm

Ivan wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:47 pm
Villain wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:25 pm Allegedly Spilotro told Cullotta that when the guy's eye popped out, Chuck Nicoletti was sitting near by, ate pasta and smiled
Yeah the actual quote from the Casino book was "Boy, this is a heartless guy. He was eating pasta when Billy's eye popped out."

I live in Vegas now and I think I'm gonna do Culotta's mob tour just for the hell of it. If I ever win money playing cards again I probably will. (For some reason I'd feel like an idiot if I gave Culotta money I made from actual work. :lol: )
Well Chuck made his bones when he was just a kid by killing his own father. His whole body count is unknown

I agree, i would also feel like an idiot if i gave some of my money to that guy lol

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Ivan » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:47 pm

Villain wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:25 pm Allegedly Spilotro told Cullotta that when the guy's eye popped out, Chuck Nicoletti was sitting near by, ate pasta and smiled
Yeah the actual quote from the Casino book was "Boy, this is a heartless guy. He was eating pasta when Billy's eye popped out."

I live in Vegas now and I think I'm gonna do Culotta's mob tour just for the hell of it. If I ever win money playing cards again I probably will. (For some reason I'd feel like an idiot if I gave Culotta money I made from actual work. :lol: )

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Villain » Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:25 pm

Ivan wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:34 pm
Pogo The Clown wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:15 pm Speaking of The Outfit did Tony Spilotro really put a guys head in a vice after putting an ice pick in his balls or was that just something in the movie? I forgot.
It's real. The M&M murders. (Billy McCarthy and Charlie Miraglia - Pesci actually bitches about "Charlie M" in the movie as you'll recall. They were killed for killing the scalvos and a girl with them, which turned into "shot up Remo's bar and killed a waittress" in the movie.)

Roemer I think was said that he saw the picture and the guy's head was like five inches wide with one eye popped out.
Allegedly Spilotro told Cullotta that when the guy's eye popped out, Chuck Nicoletti was sitting near by, ate pasta and smiled

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Pogo The Clown » Mon Dec 23, 2019 8:12 pm

Thanks Ivan. 8-) For those who haven't seen it here is a color photograph of Action Jackson at morgue. Pretty nasty. Merry Christmas. :mrgreen:


https://www.google.com/search?q=william ... Qd1TMmfMSM

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Ivan » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:34 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:15 pm Speaking of The Outfit did Tony Spilotro really put a guys head in a vice after putting an ice pick in his balls or was that just something in the movie? I forgot.
It's real. The M&M murders. (Billy McCarthy and Charlie Miraglia - Pesci actually bitches about "Charlie M" in the movie as you'll recall. They were killed for killing the scalvos and a girl with them, which turned into "shot up Remo's bar and killed a waittress" in the movie.)

Roemer I think was said that he saw the picture and the guy's head was like five inches wide with one eye popped out.

Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Pogo The Clown » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:15 pm

Refering to James Torello?


Speaking of The Outfit did Tony Spilotro really put a guys head in a vice after putting an ice pick in his balls or was that just something in the movie? I forgot.


Pogo

Re: RE: Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Lupara » Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:09 pm

Wiseguy wrote:
Pogo The Clown wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:10 am The recent Jeffrey Blackman thread got me thinking of mob murders. Which are some of the most brutal? For me the worst has to be Action Jackson in Chicago. They hung him up on a meat hook through his ass, busted his knee caps with a hammer or bat, jabbed his balls with a caddle prod, then for a little extra kick they wet the caddle prod and jabbed his genitals again all in an effort to make him confess to being a rat. Finally they just left him hanging there for days until he eventually died. Poor bastard wasn't even an informant.


Pogo
James Torello: Jackson was hung up on that meat hook. He was so heavy he bent it. He was on that thing three days before he croaked.

Frank Buccieri (giggling): Jackie, you shoulda seen the guy. Like an elephant, he was, and when Jimmy hit him with that electric prod...

Torello (excitedly): He was floppin' around on that hook, Jackie. We tossed water on him to give the prod a better charge, and he's screamin'....

(Excerpt from FBI wiretap of Cosa Nostra telephone conversation relating to murder of William Jackson)




This was part of the preface to the book The Exorcist, which had a few quotes relating to evil.
I wonder who this Jimmy was.

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Re: Most Brutal Murders

by Wiseguy » Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:51 pm

Pogo the Clown wrote:Looks like the torture was even worse than we thought. :o Some real sick bastards in the Outfit. Who else was involved besides Torello and Buccieri? My memory is real hazy but I seem to recall Mad Sam and Tony Spilotro also taking part. I know it was mentionen in the Spilotro book.
I've seen Mad Sam's name associated with that murder, not surprisingly. Don't remember Spilotro but certainly possible. I imagine it took several guys to kidnap him and hoist him on that hook.
JMAN723 wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:43 amFavara unfortunately probably suffered a much harsher death. I don’t believe any of the crap the Gotti spew out. For four months Favara must have been savaged shitless plus having to deal with the fact that he accidentally killed a young boy must have been mental torture
Then Charles Carneglia, who is sick of being hounded, meets Angelo Ruggiero at a restaurant and drops Favara's finger bone in Ruggiero's soup as proof the job is done.

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