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Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by BeatiPaoli » Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:35 pm

To AntiLiar: Thank you for the reference! I have the book, will place it on my priority list to read. Thank you, again!

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by Antiliar » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:28 pm

BeatiPaoli wrote: ↑Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:53 pm To Antliar: Thank you very much for the reply. Could you point me in the right direction to learn more about " The Society of the Banana, a Mafia-like group in Ohio and Pittsburgh" that you referenced in you reply? Any books or on-line sources would be helpful.

Regards,
BeatiPaoli
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/363 ... nd-society

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by BeatiPaoli » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:53 pm

To Antliar: Thank you very much for the reply. Could you point me in the right direction to learn more about " The Society of the Banana, a Mafia-like group in Ohio and Pittsburgh" that you referenced in you reply? Any books or on-line sources would be helpful.

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by Antiliar » Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:53 pm

BeatiPaoli wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:16 pm To AntiLiar and Everyone: Great find! I am curious, is this the oldest report of an initiation ceremony performed in America, as told to any level of law enforcement or the courts, which has been written down?

Regards,
BeatiPaoli
Yes, this might be the earliest report of an American Mafia initiation ceremony. It beats Joe Valachi's by several years and Joe Bonanno didn't go into details in his book. The Society of the Banana, a Mafia-like group in Ohio and Pittsburgh, had a very different ceremony that's closer to the Camorra.

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by scagghiuni » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:35 pm

the most interesting thing is that both italian and american government know perfectly cosa nostra or whatever it was called at that time existed long before they they should make us believe

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by BeatiPaoli » Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:16 pm

To AntiLiar and Everyone: Great find! I am curious, is this the oldest report of an initiation ceremony performed in America, as told to any level of law enforcement or the courts, which has been written down?

Regards,
BeatiPaoli

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by scagghiuni » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:17 am

MichaelGiovanni wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:55 pm Interesting that the commission was mentioned for that time period. I suppose that was a general statement made years later and referring to how things eventually became not necessarily how things were in 1927.
it's very possible the commission existed before 1931, i never believed luciano created it, it's just bullshit, the mafia commission existed in sicily at least in the late 1800s

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by Ed » Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:15 am

bert wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:36 am
Ed wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:14 am T-96 is Tony Lima. He was made in Pittsburgh before he became boss in San Francisco.
They call him NY T-96, I thought that meant he was out of New York?
No, the reference to "NY" in this context just means the report was produced by the New York Office. To find out the true identity of the informant, you have go to the beginning of the relevant FBI report where they break down the "T-symbols" and refer to the underlying informant symbol code. I've seen this document before and T-96 is "SF 2689".

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by bert » Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:36 am

Ed wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:14 am T-96 is Tony Lima. He was made in Pittsburgh before he became boss in San Francisco.
They call him NY T-96, I thought that meant he was out of New York?

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by aleksandrored » Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:22 am

Thanks, this is very interesting. It is curious that he mentions about not working with drugs, and that time Luciano and others were already involved in it, you will see they only spoke for being part of the ritual or was something specific of Pittsburgh.

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by Ed » Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:14 am

T-96 is Tony Lima. He was made in Pittsburgh before he became boss in San Francisco.

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by DPG » Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:17 am

When was this report filed?

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by Antiliar » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:59 pm

MichaelGiovanni wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:55 pm Interesting that the commission was mentioned for that time period. I suppose that was a general statement made years later and referring to how things eventually became not necessarily how things were in 1927.
Right. In 1927 they still had the Boss of Bosses, the General Assembly, and special commissions appointed by the Boss of Bosses. It's possible, however, that Western Pennsylvania or the Greater Pittsburgh Area did have some sort of commission.

Re: 1927 Making Ceremony

by MichaelGiovanni » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:55 pm

Interesting that the commission was mentioned for that time period. I suppose that was a general statement made years later and referring to how things eventually became not necessarily how things were in 1927.

1927 Making Ceremony

by Antiliar » Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:10 pm

This took place in Pittsburgh and was apparently attended by a New York member, who told the story to the FBI:
FBI Bonanno Crime Family p23 (34) Pittsburgh initiation.jpg
FBI Bonanno Crime Family p24 (35) Pittsburgh initiation.jpg

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