by B. » Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:15 am
Chris Christie wrote:B. wrote:Chris Christie wrote:One thing also, about the Colombos. Map out where everyone lives and operates (that we know of), in the 10's, 30's and 60's they all come from South Brooklyn and below. Very few of them were active in the city or Bronx. Not making a conspiracy theory out of it, but I wondered if that was how the D'Aquilas (Gambinos) and Mineo-DiBella-Profaci (Colombo) managed to co-exist but there's no evidence of such an arrangement.
However, in the FBN Mafia book released, there's alot of names that didn't make it onto the Valachi charts, many of them came from lower Brooklyn connected with some narcotics trafficking. There's nothing from a glance that links them as Colombos but in the 1950's there were alot of unknowns.
Yeah, the Colombos were always the NY family with the most concentration in one place. I think that's a big reason why their crew successions are the least linear. Speaking of the Profaci relatives, it's weird how the NJ crew was made up of guys with some of the deepest histories in the organization. There is a report from the early 80s that says Sal J. Profaci wants to become boss of the Colombo family to continue his family's legacy but no idea if there is any truth to that or what it's based on.
D'Arco gave some curious things to consider even though it's mostly 3rd hand info and he may not be remembering it correctly, but he says Salvatore Curiale went back to the time when there was just one Brooklyn family. I doubt there was ever just one family active in Brooklyn (except maybe if you count the very first incarnation of the US mob in the 1800's), but you have to wonder if a lot of Brooklyn was originally under one banner then later split off and became/joined other families. The fact that there was a significant non-Sicilian Italian presence in Brooklyn that later joined the two families with the most mysterious origins (Profaci and Masseria) is worth thinking about, too... could say something about the way Brookly developed.
For Profaci relations, Emanuele Cammarata may have been related somehow. The Cottones also. Nino Cottone was apparently a member in both the Profaci and Villabate families. Relatives of the Maglioccos are the Villabate Fontanas, and related through marriage are Simone Andolino, Giuseppe Tipa, and Sebastiano D'Agati.
He also said NJ was the first American Family... He also mentioned Navy Street which I find amazing. Speaks of the clout and recognition they had for a time for someone to remember hearing about to recollect it 80 years later. Navy Street was a cafe/gang with some of its top members being Camorra. Some like Nitti and Ricca grew up in the same vicinity and came from the same area of Italy many of the Navy Streeters did. Essentially, the top echelon of NS were Camorrists, but one could be Navy Street and just loosely affiliated. I see similarities to NS and the Outfit but it could be coincidental.
The first Family in Brooklyn, in full force, would have been the Gambinos in South Broolyn, Broolyn Heights and Red Hook, connected with the Lower East Side on James Street up to the 100 block of Elizabeth.... The second Family would have been the Bonannos, established after 1898 but before 1905 in Williamsburgh around Marcy and Wallabout, N5th and Roebling.
Yeah, if D'Arco was even in the ballpark with his comment, I figure it might have been a reference to most of Brooklyn being under the future Gambinos originally, which would make sense why there seemed to be some fluidity between the future Colombo and Gambino families in that area. With the heavily Italian parts of South Brooklyn (Bensonhurst, etc.) they have always been overwhelmingly dominated by the Colombos and Gambinos. There were probably more, but the only Bonannos I know of who lived or operated there were Cesare Bonventre, Joseph DeFilippi, and Frank Lupo (would be interesting if Lupo had some relation to Ignazio Lupo), as their Brooklyn presence was almost entirely up north in Williamsburg and along the Queens border.
D'Arco's comment was made offhandedly to indicate that the original Lucchese Brooklyn crew (which included Bensonhurst at that time as well as their base in Canarsie) was part of the same family as the other Brooklyn crews. Whether that's true or not, you still have to wonder why a crew with an Agrigento background based in Brooklyn would get hooked up with a family dominated by Corleone and Palermo-area members up in East Harlem and the Bronx. If they split off from another group, like the D'Aquila/Lupo family, that makes it even more mysterious.
Will be very curious to see what you do with the non-Sicilian research you're doing. I have never been as interested in the non-Sicilians except in Philly but the more I learn the more it seems there was more than meets the eye as far as how they were organized and how they originally got hooked into the Sicilian-run families.
[quote="Chris Christie"][quote="B."][quote="Chris Christie"]One thing also, about the Colombos. Map out where everyone lives and operates (that we know of), in the 10's, 30's and 60's they all come from South Brooklyn and below. Very few of them were active in the city or Bronx. Not making a conspiracy theory out of it, but I wondered if that was how the D'Aquilas (Gambinos) and Mineo-DiBella-Profaci (Colombo) managed to co-exist but there's no evidence of such an arrangement.
However, in the FBN Mafia book released, there's alot of names that didn't make it onto the Valachi charts, many of them came from lower Brooklyn connected with some narcotics trafficking. There's nothing from a glance that links them as Colombos but in the 1950's there were alot of unknowns.[/quote]
Yeah, the Colombos were always the NY family with the most concentration in one place. I think that's a big reason why their crew successions are the least linear. Speaking of the Profaci relatives, it's weird how the NJ crew was made up of guys with some of the deepest histories in the organization. There is a report from the early 80s that says Sal J. Profaci wants to become boss of the Colombo family to continue his family's legacy but no idea if there is any truth to that or what it's based on.
D'Arco gave some curious things to consider even though it's mostly 3rd hand info and he may not be remembering it correctly, but he says Salvatore Curiale went back to the time when there was just one Brooklyn family. I doubt there was ever just one family active in Brooklyn (except maybe if you count the very first incarnation of the US mob in the 1800's), but you have to wonder if a lot of Brooklyn was originally under one banner then later split off and became/joined other families. The fact that there was a significant non-Sicilian Italian presence in Brooklyn that later joined the two families with the most mysterious origins (Profaci and Masseria) is worth thinking about, too... could say something about the way Brookly developed.
For Profaci relations, Emanuele Cammarata may have been related somehow. The Cottones also. Nino Cottone was apparently a member in both the Profaci and Villabate families. Relatives of the Maglioccos are the Villabate Fontanas, and related through marriage are Simone Andolino, Giuseppe Tipa, and Sebastiano D'Agati.[/quote]
He also said NJ was the first American Family... He also mentioned Navy Street which I find amazing. Speaks of the clout and recognition they had for a time for someone to remember hearing about to recollect it 80 years later. Navy Street was a cafe/gang with some of its top members being Camorra. Some like Nitti and Ricca grew up in the same vicinity and came from the same area of Italy many of the Navy Streeters did. Essentially, the top echelon of NS were Camorrists, but one could be Navy Street and just loosely affiliated. I see similarities to NS and the Outfit but it could be coincidental.
The first Family in Brooklyn, in full force, would have been the Gambinos in South Broolyn, Broolyn Heights and Red Hook, connected with the Lower East Side on James Street up to the 100 block of Elizabeth.... The second Family would have been the Bonannos, established after 1898 but before 1905 in Williamsburgh around Marcy and Wallabout, N5th and Roebling.[/quote]
Yeah, if D'Arco was even in the ballpark with his comment, I figure it might have been a reference to most of Brooklyn being under the future Gambinos originally, which would make sense why there seemed to be some fluidity between the future Colombo and Gambino families in that area. With the heavily Italian parts of South Brooklyn (Bensonhurst, etc.) they have always been overwhelmingly dominated by the Colombos and Gambinos. There were probably more, but the only Bonannos I know of who lived or operated there were Cesare Bonventre, Joseph DeFilippi, and Frank Lupo (would be interesting if Lupo had some relation to Ignazio Lupo), as their Brooklyn presence was almost entirely up north in Williamsburg and along the Queens border.
D'Arco's comment was made offhandedly to indicate that the original Lucchese Brooklyn crew (which included Bensonhurst at that time as well as their base in Canarsie) was part of the same family as the other Brooklyn crews. Whether that's true or not, you still have to wonder why a crew with an Agrigento background based in Brooklyn would get hooked up with a family dominated by Corleone and Palermo-area members up in East Harlem and the Bronx. If they split off from another group, like the D'Aquila/Lupo family, that makes it even more mysterious.
Will be very curious to see what you do with the non-Sicilian research you're doing. I have never been as interested in the non-Sicilians except in Philly but the more I learn the more it seems there was more than meets the eye as far as how they were organized and how they originally got hooked into the Sicilian-run families.