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by **dack2001** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:25 pm

That was the beef that Sam was making. Bruno and Tramantana were definitely close. Sam was accusing Bruno of making guys when the books were closed. He also accused him of making guys he didn't know, insinuating the Trenton guys made by Bruno weren't connected enough with Philly to get made there. Bruno explained to him that they were proposed by the previous regime and he cleared it with New York before making them. He also said he wouldn't make guys they didn't closely know.

by B. » Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:17 pm

Bruno didn't know them when he made them? Sounds strange...

Bruno and Tramantana were suspects in the Veneziale murder in the mid-50s. An informant indicated Bruno, who had been made a couple years earlier, was behind the hit and knew who the hit team was. They found fingerprints matching Pappy Ippolito, Frank Pollastrelli, and Tramantana on the car where the body was found. Have to imagine this contributed to those guys getting made a handful of years later.

Mike Cammarota was in a 1934 car accident with John Simone (visiting from Niagara Falls), his brother Sam Cammarota, and Pappy Ippolito, plus another friend who died in the wreck. Given Cammarota had been friends with Bruno's cousins for decades and Bruno served as Cammarota's pallbearer makes it hard to believe he didn't know him.

There was a beef between DeCavalcante and Bruno over Trenton DeCav associate Joe Sabato, who was proposed for membership by Sam and whose father was a Philly soldier. Sabato had signed an admission of guilt after his wife was arrested in an effort to get her off the hook and Bruno felt that this was a rat move and should exclude Sabato from becoming a member. I have to imagine DeCavalcante was giving heat back to Bruno as a result, or vice versa.

by **dack2001** » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:37 am

I've seen the Gyp DeCarlo transcript where he mentions the Mikes and Pappy and Blackie and also the separate FBI's synopsis of the conversation. Gyp makes the point that these four were made when the books were closed, he doesn't mention time and date. That comes from the FBI. We know from other docs that there were others made at those ceremonies as well, so maybe thats all Gyp knew at the time or those were the guys he knew from Trenton. Does suggest that Ponzi got down at the same ceremony as Tramantana.

There is another conversation Bruno had with San DeCalvalcante where he indicates that the Mikes were proposed prior to his being made boss and he just went through with making them, so he shouldn't be faulted for not knowing the books were closed. It seemed Sam was more concerned about Bruno making guys from Trenton that Bruno didn't know. Definitely a territorial thing, less a books closed thing. Politics of LCN and all.

by B. » Wed Oct 30, 2019 8:58 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:13 pm Salerno is definitely a member, no question, and a legit hitter with Bananas, but still don't believe for a second that Bananas entrusted Salerno to whack Bruno. I believe Salerno got down at the 1962 wedding ceremony He pissed off enough people that Bananas had to specially intercede to get him made.

Just to follow up, I saw that Leonetti described Alfred Salerno as a made member in his testimony so you're def right on his membership.

I also looked at the Ray DeCarlo transcript, and he says Michael "Ponzi" Cammarota and Michael "Daylight" Tramantana were made in 1961 when the books were closed, and that "Pappy" Ippolito and "Blackie" Napoli were made in summer 1962, the books still closed. Angelo Bruno claimed he was only replacing deceased members and DeCarlo says Jerry Catena backed him, saying Bruno wasn't boss when the books were closed and didn't know otherwise.

by **Extortion** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:24 pm

Their careers? One is a bookmaker and the others I think are also ex cons

by **Nepa31** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:51 am

That’s fucking hilarious. He’s a jerkoff. He’s got this Flanagans show/movie coming out and it’s a shame that some stand up guys that are involved in the project are gonna get their careers ruined by this asshole.

by **Extortion** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:59 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:14 am A bit off topic. I've made the mistake to listen to Jeff Lowman's latest Q&A to see if he has any hot takes on the information from Mob Talk 33, since he was the first to break the news around Narducci's latest indictment. He doesn't say anything outside his usual rants and name calling.

What caught my attention is near the end of his video he answers questions, as the mafia expert that he is, and he discussed the "Grossio Crime Family" a.k.a. the "Atlanta Crime Family" with their two factions and 50 made members.

Hahaha here is the link https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QYq0PNFRrMI he really got fuckin wiki catfished I love how confidently he speaks of this supposed crime family. Oh fucking vey.

by **MichaelGiovanni** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:28 am

B. wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:14 am
MichaelGiovanni wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:51 pm And I got a good laugh at the usual suspects comment. Wasn’t that the name of Scarfo’s boat? A nod to the movie Casablanca. Seems like he named his house down in Florida Casablanca. He must have loved that movie...and for good reason!
Yeah, Casablanca Usual Suspects was the boat name. The house was Casablanca South. He also had a movie poster for Casablanca hanging in the Scarf Inc. office.

Here's a conspiracy theory for you: it was actually Nicky Scarfo who pushed for the murder of John Simone because one of Simone's nicknames was "Johnny Casablanca". Nicky used to look in the mirror and mutter to himself,"Nicky Casablanca... Nicky Casablanca... I would pay good money for that nickname, but that fucking sidge has it. I'm going to kill him... yeah, I'm going to kill him and name my boat and vacation house 'Casablanca'! Everyone will forget about that old Casablanca cocksucker!"

There has also been some confusion over an infamous Scarfo quote from the Falcone murder scene. When Scarfo exclaimed, "I love this! I love it!" after the murder, he was not referring to the murder itself, but Casablanca had come on TV and Scarfo was naturally responding with excitement to seeing his favorite movie.

Lol That is some conspiracy theory

by **dack2001** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:05 am

The marconi brothers were made at their own separate ceremony. I didn't mean that they were made at two separate ceremonies. I read my previous sentence and saw that may have been implied from how I wrote it.

by **NJShore4Life** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:31 am

Dom was 12 years old was his Father flipped.

Wayne Grande is pretty shitty- jams up his brother in law Sammy Piccolo ratting in a drug deal from prison and then just picks up and vanishes into Witness Protection program with a wife and two young kids at home. Nice guy!

by B. » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:14 am

MichaelGiovanni wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:51 pm And I got a good laugh at the usual suspects comment. Wasn’t that the name of Scarfo’s boat? A nod to the movie Casablanca. Seems like he named his house down in Florida Casablanca. He must have loved that movie...and for good reason!

Yeah, Casablanca Usual Suspects was the boat name. The house was Casablanca South. He also had a movie poster for Casablanca hanging in the Scarf Inc. office.

Here's a conspiracy theory for you: it was actually Nicky Scarfo who pushed for the murder of John Simone because one of Simone's nicknames was "Johnny Casablanca". Nicky used to look in the mirror and mutter to himself,"Nicky Casablanca... Nicky Casablanca... I would pay good money for that nickname, but that fucking sidge has it. I'm going to kill him... yeah, I'm going to kill him and name my boat and vacation house 'Casablanca'! Everyone will forget about that old Casablanca cocksucker!"

There has also been some confusion over an infamous Scarfo quote from the Falcone murder scene. When Scarfo exclaimed, "I love this! I love it!" after the murder, he was not referring to the murder itself, but Casablanca had come on TV and Scarfo was naturally responding with excitement to seeing his favorite movie.

by **MichaelGiovanni** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:51 pm

B. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:37 pm
MichaelGiovanni wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:08 pm How old was Dom when his father flipped and why didn’t he go with his father? What is the story behind all of that? Who was he raised by?
Wayne Grande flipped on his wife's brother Salvatore Piccolo while Grande was serving time after his RICO conviction. He helped arrange a cocaine deal with a couple of other inmates, with Piccolo doing the hands-on work from the outside, but Grande gave him up and Piccolo served a long prison sentence for drugs and illegal gun possession. Grande's family on both sides severed themselves from him as a result, so the family stayed in South Philadelphia around all of the usual suspects. Grande's wife was a younger cousin or niece a couple generations removed of Anthony Piccolo, so there is a mafia pedigree to some degree on her side as well.

In Leonetti's book, he said that Scarfo had already placed a murder contract on the Grande brothers years earlier for getting Sam Piccolo into the drug business (Piccolo is a Scarfo cousin). Piccolo also had issues with drug use back then, which he tried to use in court for leniency after the bust. After his release obviously he fell in orbit with Scarfo Jr.'s crew.

Dominic Grande's aunt is married to one of Steve Mazzone's brothers, which explains why they are together in so many of the photos that people find on social media and post on here. I found some property records some years back that referred to a relation between Grande and Nicodemo as well but I have no idea if it's blood, marriage, a figure of speech, or if it's accurate. I believe Grande was an associate of the Lancelotti crew when he was busted in the Borgata case, which would make sense given the assumption that he has been the acting captain for Lancelotti since then and accompanied him to NYC with Merlino.

And I got a good laugh at the usual suspects comment. Wasn’t that the name of Scarfo’s boat? A nod to the movie Casablanca. Seems like he named his house down in Florida Casablanca. He must have loved that movie...and for good reason!

by **NJShore4Life** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:14 pm

Grande and Nicodemo own real estate together.

by **MichaelGiovanni** » Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:11 pm

B. wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:37 pm
MichaelGiovanni wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:08 pm How old was Dom when his father flipped and why didn’t he go with his father? What is the story behind all of that? Who was he raised by?
Wayne Grande flipped on his wife's brother Salvatore Piccolo while Grande was serving time after his RICO conviction. He helped arrange a cocaine deal with a couple of other inmates, with Piccolo doing the hands-on work from the outside, but Grande gave him up and Piccolo served a long prison sentence for drugs and illegal gun possession. Grande's family on both sides severed themselves from him as a result, so the family stayed in South Philadelphia around all of the usual suspects. Grande's wife was a younger cousin or niece a couple generations removed of Anthony Piccolo, so there is a mafia pedigree to some degree on her side as well.

In Leonetti's book, he said that Scarfo had already placed a murder contract on the Grande brothers years earlier for getting Sam Piccolo into the drug business (Piccolo is a Scarfo cousin). Piccolo also had issues with drug use back then, which he tried to use in court for leniency after the bust. After his release obviously he fell in orbit with Scarfo Jr.'s crew.

Dominic Grande's aunt is married to one of Steve Mazzone's brothers, which explains why they are together in so many of the photos that people find on social media and post on here. I found some property records some years back that referred to a relation between Grande and Nicodemo as well but I have no idea if it's blood, marriage, a figure of speech, or if it's accurate. I believe Grande was an associate of the Lancelotti crew when he was busted in the Borgata case, which would make sense given the assumption that he has been the acting captain for Lancelotti since then and accompanied him to NYC with Merlino.

Thanks for the info B.

by B. » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:56 pm

dack2001 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:13 pm I think you mean the Marconi brothers, Funzy and his brother. They were made in their own separate ceremony between 1961-1964.

Salerno is definitely a member, no question, and a legit hitter with Bananas, but still don't believe for a second that Bananas entrusted Salerno to whack Bruno. I believe Salerno got down at the 1962 wedding ceremony He pissed off enough people that Bananas had to specially intercede to get him made.

Do you have more specifics on each of these? Thanks.

And yep, the Marconis.

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