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Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Mikeymike12 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:09 pm

Confederate wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:14 pm
Mikeymike12 wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:11 pm You don’t think he would of paid? That in itself would of made him loose all respect on the street

:lol: No, is the answer and it's spelled "lose" not "loose".
Yes, that’s correct lose. thanks for correcting my reply Mr. Belding.
Note to everyone better Proofread and watch your spelling and punctuation or George Feeny will call you out. :shock:

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by z23 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:06 pm

dack2001 wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:59 am I also have a hard time believing that Scarfo didn't leave a lot more money behind than people thought when he went away. Now its money for his wife and for Mark etc. and I may be wrong because its only a gut feeling ,but I've always wondered about the truth about the money phil took and its absence in his book. Too convenient for jr. to cry poor to everyone after Phil ratted when they were trying to keep the money flow coming from the people still paying them. According to Phil, he handed Scarfo three million after he got back from Texas.....he wouldn't have had it all in his safe. I suspect there was enough around to make a move if someone could get to Joey. And as someone else mentioned, the top spot was easily worth 500K.
With that kind of money couldn't it be someplace offshore or in a bank in Europe under the name of some corporation or something? Maybe the kid knows and has a trusted family member (immediate family) as power of attorney who is in control of it and acts on his behest? He wouldn't need to have any connection to or with it as long as he has someone still alive that he can trust and hopefully they don't die before he does. Just an idea.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by maxiestern11 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:53 pm

I’m sure he buried millions.... what good is it now! He’s dead after doing life! Jr is doing 30 which essentially IS life! The younger kid hunt himself. Phil ratted and ran away!..... decimated his brood! All for what?
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So he could put the cash in the box with him?
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What a waste!

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by dack2001 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:59 am

I also have a hard time believing that Scarfo didn't leave a lot more money behind than people thought when he went away. Now its money for his wife and for Mark etc. and I may be wrong because its only a gut feeling ,but I've always wondered about the truth about the money phil took and its absence in his book. Too convenient for jr. to cry poor to everyone after Phil ratted when they were trying to keep the money flow coming from the people still paying them. According to Phil, he handed Scarfo three million after he got back from Texas.....he wouldn't have had it all in his safe. I suspect there was enough around to make a move if someone could get to Joey. And as someone else mentioned, the top spot was easily worth 500K.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Fughedaboutit » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:43 am

Rocco wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:24 am
Fughedaboutit wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:04 am
Rocco wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:08 am
Mikeymike12 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:28 pm What about Scarfo’s son, you don’t think he would of been glad to throw some money around for that especially during that during that time ?
I don't think he had the money to pay it out. Plus he was pushed out of Philly and living in NJ under protection of the Lucchese family. And to make things worse for Scarfo Jr. Joe Perna became close to Merlino. Once Scarfo Jr was bumped down to Soldier it was over for him. That's why he tried moving to FL after he got bumped down.
Scarfo Jr an earner, I wouldn't think he would have had a problem coming up with 500k imo
Jr was dead broke during his last trial where he supposedly made millions. Couldn't pay his attorney. He really wasn't as flush with cash as you would think. He was in and out of jail most of the time. everytime he got pinched they seized everything. He was also the odd man out in the Jersey Crew. And his new Capo(Perna) son was good buddies with Merlino. Its why he was seeking to flee to FL as soon as he got bumped down to soldier.
A lot of those guys play the "I'm poor" act at trial. We have seen it time and time again. I am sure the seizures hurt, but I have a hard time believing he couldnt come up with 500

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Rocco » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:24 am

Fughedaboutit wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:04 am
Rocco wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:08 am
Mikeymike12 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:28 pm What about Scarfo’s son, you don’t think he would of been glad to throw some money around for that especially during that during that time ?
I don't think he had the money to pay it out. Plus he was pushed out of Philly and living in NJ under protection of the Lucchese family. And to make things worse for Scarfo Jr. Joe Perna became close to Merlino. Once Scarfo Jr was bumped down to Soldier it was over for him. That's why he tried moving to FL after he got bumped down.
Scarfo Jr an earner, I wouldn't think he would have had a problem coming up with 500k imo
Jr was dead broke during his last trial where he supposedly made millions. Couldn't pay his attorney. He really wasn't as flush with cash as you would think. He was in and out of jail most of the time. everytime he got pinched they seized everything. He was also the odd man out in the Jersey Crew. And his new Capo(Perna) son was good buddies with Merlino. Its why he was seeking to flee to FL as soon as he got bumped down to soldier.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Fughedaboutit » Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:04 am

Rocco wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:08 am
Mikeymike12 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:28 pm What about Scarfo’s son, you don’t think he would of been glad to throw some money around for that especially during that during that time ?
I don't think he had the money to pay it out. Plus he was pushed out of Philly and living in NJ under protection of the Lucchese family. And to make things worse for Scarfo Jr. Joe Perna became close to Merlino. Once Scarfo Jr was bumped down to Soldier it was over for him. That's why he tried moving to FL after he got bumped down.
Scarfo Jr an earner, I wouldn't think he would have had a problem coming up with 500k imo

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Rocco » Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:08 am

Mikeymike12 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:28 pm What about Scarfo’s son, you don’t think he would of been glad to throw some money around for that especially during that during that time ?
I don't think he had the money to pay it out. Plus he was pushed out of Philly and living in NJ under protection of the Lucchese family. And to make things worse for Scarfo Jr. Joe Perna became close to Merlino. Once Scarfo Jr was bumped down to Soldier it was over for him. That's why he tried moving to FL after he got bumped down.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Mikeymike12 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:28 pm

What about Scarfo’s son, you don’t think he would of been glad to throw some money around for that especially during that during that time ?

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Mikeymike12 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:24 pm

Rocco wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:45 pm
Mikeymike12 wrote: Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:00 pm There was a 500 k bounty on Joey Merlino’s head from Scarfo, I don’t get how he was able to avoid that. Scarfo was close with powerful Genovese guys and then was close to the boss of the Lucchese. Plus anyone else from under the sun would be able to do it and collect from the bikers to any gang member period from any walks . Then he was locked up for 12 plus years and not one attempt by anyone trying to get that 500 k . It’s actually shocking .
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That's because Scarfo had no more juice after he went down for good. People aren't gonna do favors like murder for someone if that person is never getting out of jail and is of no purpose to them like Scarfo was. Plus Scarfo probably could even pay the $500k if some nut ball actually would do it.
Yeah very true but at the same time Merlino seeemed to be unliked outside of his circle.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by dack2001 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:46 pm

Yep, I agree, not uncommon for law enforcement to talk about a contract, say its on Pistone or Mike Franzese....that probably doesn't exist and never existed. Makes good headlines. In some situations the truth is much more complex. In the situation with Sr. and Jr. and Joey Merlino, I think Sr. did everything in his power to take back the reins from Joey, probably right up until he died.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by Confederate » Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:47 pm

dack2001 wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:41 am Nick had a group of mexicans he used as protection when he did his bid down in Texas. Serious guys. He brought these guys up to philly after he got out and introduced them to some of the guys downtown. Phil Leonetti reported they capable and loyal to nick. My guess is nick put word through the prison system with this group if they made the hit they would get 500K. Jr. could have gotten them the money, imo. Law enforcement picked up the contract through a snitch or the prison system and called it a 500k bounty and told Joey and Ralph as they are required. I doubt it was ever an open contract for anyone to fulfill but I do believe that nick probably circulated it to more than one group if he had contacts or a prison connection, though he didn't seem to have heavy connections with the Irish or biker gangs but prison makes strange bedfellows.

Another thing, its not that uncommon for someone in the can to reach out to someone else outside to try to assault someone or collect a debt, even kill someone. You ought to listen to prison and detention phone calls sometime, whether OC or just your garden variety dealer. For every case that gets tried for someone arranging a prison assault or murder, historically in OC there have been more than a few, there are probably five that aren't tried because they are difficult to prove (guys aren't serious and are ranting or are talking in code) and a lot of times the guys who are reaching out are already looking at heavy time so the prosecutors don't file the case and just use it to hammer them at sentencing. Most of the time the guy on the other end is saying "uh-huh" while the guy on the phone rants and rants about shit they can't control because they are in jail and when the phone hangs up the guy on the other goes on about his day because he's just keeping the guy in jail happy best he can.
No Mexicans ever even tried to kill Merlino. Any of those so called "Outsiders" would have tried to kill their own mother for $500,000.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by maxiestern11 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:23 pm

Well I will say this, if he did actually offer these “Mexican” guys this proposition, especially if they were capable guys as we know some of these west coast latino’s are (so called Mexican Mafia), He’d HAVE to pay! Like it or not! Because they’re not just a few jerk-offs out of the blue. Boss or no Boss he’d end up with a serious problem I’m sure. Especially for that kind of cash! Lol
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If he was desperate, and had no one left to do his bidding, and thought it would allow Nicky Jr to grab hold of the Philly reins where he’d make the 500 back, who knows! Stranger things have happened!
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One more thing I wanna mention is that these “so-called” contracts that LE claims they found out about through a snitch or wire or CI, many times (in fact very often), the threat is actually “created” by LE themselves!
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And it’s done for a variety of reasons:
~To throw a guy in segregation under the guise of “protecting him”, just to break his balls, torture him!

~ to try and scare him, shake him up to cooperate with LE

~ throw off everyone and create “animosity” between guys on the street

~ etc etc
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And once the “lie” goes around enough through institutions, the street, guys talking, newspapers and “official” LE documents printed, etc..... it becomes gospel! (But in the meantime it was all bullshit to start with!)
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So that’s another reason why I’m always skeptical of those type of things! Especially this type of far flung accusation! $500k “contract” you know!
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I just wrote a huge story on Sonny Franzese. If you remember they, (LE) claimed the mob and Sonny himself had put out a contract on his own sons Michael originally and John Jr secondly at different intervals over the years! And that Carmine Persico himself had put out a contract on Michael personally!

IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT! Understand! Yet it was talked about for years like it was gospel and actually gained momentum from all the fucking hype!

So I typically take these type statements with a grain of salt!
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So again, I’m NOT saying your full of BS, only that a good dose of skepticism is always healthy with these things!

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by dack2001 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:41 am

Nick had a group of mexicans he used as protection when he did his bid down in Texas. Serious guys. He brought these guys up to philly after he got out and introduced them to some of the guys downtown. Phil Leonetti reported they capable and loyal to nick. My guess is nick put word through the prison system with this group if they made the hit they would get 500K. Jr. could have gotten them the money, imo. Law enforcement picked up the contract through a snitch or the prison system and called it a 500k bounty and told Joey and Ralph as they are required. I doubt it was ever an open contract for anyone to fulfill but I do believe that nick probably circulated it to more than one group if he had contacts or a prison connection, though he didn't seem to have heavy connections with the Irish or biker gangs but prison makes strange bedfellows.

Another thing, its not that uncommon for someone in the can to reach out to someone else outside to try to assault someone or collect a debt, even kill someone. You ought to listen to prison and detention phone calls sometime, whether OC or just your garden variety dealer. For every case that gets tried for someone arranging a prison assault or murder, historically in OC there have been more than a few, there are probably five that aren't tried because they are difficult to prove (guys aren't serious and are ranting or are talking in code) and a lot of times the guys who are reaching out are already looking at heavy time so the prosecutors don't file the case and just use it to hammer them at sentencing. Most of the time the guy on the other end is saying "uh-huh" while the guy on the phone rants and rants about shit they can't control because they are in jail and when the phone hangs up the guy on the other goes on about his day because he's just keeping the guy in jail happy best he can.

Re: Bounty on Merlino

by maxiestern11 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:42 am

Question for you Dack. Who do you personally think would, did or thought about taking the “contract”!
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what individual or group do you think Nicky was angling for, or hoping to have in mind to accomplish this?

Colombians? bikers? .... or a lone wolf ?

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