by johnny_scootch » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:49 pm
B. wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:52 pm
johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:51 am
B. wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:26 am
What I was referring to, though, was definitely the "no lying" rule discussed by Calderone in his book. He talks about navigating this rule through omission despite the fact that there is a rule against members lying to other members.
You're jogging my memory. If I have a chance later I'll try to find the passage in the book you are referring to.
I have the book and should pull out the exact part I was referring to, but a quick google shows this Calderone-related excerpt from another book which sums it up:
https://books.google.com/books?id=y3bv3 ... ia&f=false
By the way, anyone who wants to understand the mafia should absolutely read Calderone's book.
These were the two paragraphs I could find during a quick scan of the book.
This is Pippo Calderone talking to his brother Nino
"Look Nino, in Cosa Nostra the principle is that men of honor have to tell the truth to each other. You know that very well. We have to know who has committed a murder or a theft, who has ordered a kidnapping, who is protecting whom. If we don't everything collapses. Men like Cavataio appear, men who sow discord and make us kill one another but the truth isn't always black and white. There are many complicated situations that cause endless discussion. There are also times when the truth is plain."
Here Nino is talking about the statutes his brother was creating to regulate the behavior of Cosa Nostra families
"The statutes were an important instrument to bring order to an ever more confusing situation. They applied to the families, they weren't a code of conduct for the individual man of honor. A Cosa Nostra mafioso already knows what the rules are; there's no need for a code. He knows he has to do the right things, that he has to be honest, that he has to tell the truth to other men of honor, that he has to be pure and shouldn't look at other mens wives and so on. These rules are fine, but a utopia. They're a bauble that everyone holds on to while running drugs, murdering, stealing and doing as one pleases. The mafiosi have a whole lot of rules that in effect they violate continually."
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What I was referring to, though, was definitely the "no lying" rule discussed by Calderone in his book. He talks about navigating this rule through omission despite the fact that there is a rule against members lying to other members.
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You're jogging my memory. If I have a chance later I'll try to find the passage in the book you are referring to.
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I have the book and should pull out the exact part I was referring to, but a quick google shows this Calderone-related excerpt from another book which sums it up:
https://books.google.com/books?id=y3bv3tqWftYC&pg=PA122&lpg=PA122&dq=calderone+%22lying%22+mafia&source=bl&ots=4hZ7I7CBnX&sig=ACfU3U1Sv-NgmRDhWNXFE3XFRa_4hkpqoQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiy8I3jnoPkAhUGj54KHSw4BPIQ6AEwAXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=calderone%20%22lying%22%20mafia&f=false
By the way, anyone who wants to understand the mafia should absolutely read Calderone's book.
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These were the two paragraphs I could find during a quick scan of the book.
[b]This is Pippo Calderone talking to his brother Nino[/b]
"Look Nino, in Cosa Nostra the principle is that men of honor have to tell the truth to each other. You know that very well. We have to know who has committed a murder or a theft, who has ordered a kidnapping, who is protecting whom. If we don't everything collapses. Men like Cavataio appear, men who sow discord and make us kill one another but the truth isn't always black and white. There are many complicated situations that cause endless discussion. There are also times when the truth is plain."
[b]Here Nino is talking about the statutes his brother was creating to regulate the behavior of Cosa Nostra families [/b]
"The statutes were an important instrument to bring order to an ever more confusing situation. They applied to the families, they weren't a code of conduct for the individual man of honor. A Cosa Nostra mafioso already knows what the rules are; there's no need for a code. He knows he has to do the right things, that he has to be honest, that he has to tell the truth to other men of honor, that he has to be pure and shouldn't look at other mens wives and so on. These rules are fine, but a utopia. They're a bauble that everyone holds on to while running drugs, murdering, stealing and doing as one pleases. The mafiosi have a whole lot of rules that in effect they violate continually."