by CabriniGreen » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:19 pm
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:01 pm
CabriniGreen wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:18 pmYou seem to not understand....
if you have contacts in the source countries, YOU ARE NOT MARGINALIZED, YOU ARE AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN......
The Sicilians were TRADING heroin for coke.....
There were Sicilian run coke rings in NY at the time.... Sal Spatola I believe ran one....
There are probably COUNTLESS organizations to sell narcotics to in NY. It depends on your level of networking. The Rizzuto model was the gold standard.... they manage the contacts, and negotiate between the guys that control the docks, and the Bikers and gangs that distribute in the streets, set a price, no competition..
That's all I'm saying... you cant argue they have the same level of contacts, then say they are marginalized.
That's contradictory.... If I can call Cali, and get 100 pounds of weed shipped anywhere on order, MANY distributors will become my friend, VERY quickly.....
If I'm a fuckin recluse or stuck up, then yeah, I'll be sitting on 80 pounds forever, hoping it moves itself.... I've seen this many times in real life ....
And this is what I'm saying...... The sicilians became MARGINALIZED in the European trade, BECAUSE THEY FUCKED UP RELATIONS WITH COLOMBIA, the Contacts...
(this bust was 1990, Rinna gets locked up like 92..... in 94, the Caruanas were busted sending 5000 plus kilos to Europe, but through the CALABRIAN clans who put up the money..... I really believe THIS was the start of Calabrian ascendancy... .)
Not because of competition from other ethnic groups like Albanians or Nigerians or whomever....
The CONTACTS, not the SMUGGLING ROUTES ( I've noticed sometimes yall confuse the 2..) are what matter.... the routes matter, but you need the connection FIRST...
My point is that the connections, and ultimate control came from the Sicilians. They controlled the product, LCN regulates the territory.
On a side note, everything that went along with the Pizza business, the supplies, locations, thay must have been dependent on LCN for all that... the cheese, the meats..... the equipment..... licenses and permits.....
It's not contradictory if you understand what I mean by marginalized. It's not about
contacts, per se, but about
market share. Regardless of what supply contacts the LCN had in the past, or has today, they are marginal compared to the DTOs supplying the vast majority of the drugs. And, incidentally, those DTOs move the most drugs (i.e. biggest market share) because they have the strongest contacts of all considering cocaine grows only in a few South American countries and the the distribution...Colombian and Mexican cartels are able to refine their own high grade heroin.
You cant gain market share without either superior con tacts, or going to war, and controlling all the points of distribution...
Option 2 is not an option in a city as vast as NY. Too many corners.... too many gangsters in the street.... I mean, you see this in Montreal and Toronto....
Its ALWAYS the contacts..... that's what puts you on top, unless you are ready to shed a TON of blood....
[quote=Wiseguy post_id=114121 time=1562544072 user_id=51]
[quote=CabriniGreen post_id=114077 time=1562476688 user_id=5378]You seem to not understand....
if you have contacts in the source countries, YOU ARE NOT MARGINALIZED, YOU ARE AT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN......
The Sicilians were TRADING heroin for coke.....
There were Sicilian run coke rings in NY at the time.... Sal Spatola I believe ran one....
There are probably COUNTLESS organizations to sell narcotics to in NY. It depends on your level of networking. The Rizzuto model was the gold standard.... they manage the contacts, and negotiate between the guys that control the docks, and the Bikers and gangs that distribute in the streets, set a price, no competition..
That's all I'm saying... you cant argue they have the same level of contacts, then say they are marginalized.
That's contradictory.... If I can call Cali, and get 100 pounds of weed shipped anywhere on order, MANY distributors will become my friend, VERY quickly.....
If I'm a fuckin recluse or stuck up, then yeah, I'll be sitting on 80 pounds forever, hoping it moves itself.... I've seen this many times in real life ....
And this is what I'm saying...... The sicilians became MARGINALIZED in the European trade, BECAUSE THEY FUCKED UP RELATIONS WITH COLOMBIA, the Contacts...
(this bust was 1990, Rinna gets locked up like 92..... in 94, the Caruanas were busted sending 5000 plus kilos to Europe, but through the CALABRIAN clans who put up the money..... I really believe THIS was the start of Calabrian ascendancy... .)
Not because of competition from other ethnic groups like Albanians or Nigerians or whomever....
The CONTACTS, not the SMUGGLING ROUTES ( I've noticed sometimes yall confuse the 2..) are what matter.... the routes matter, but you need the connection FIRST...
My point is that the connections, and ultimate control came from the Sicilians. They controlled the product, LCN regulates the territory.
On a side note, everything that went along with the Pizza business, the supplies, locations, thay must have been dependent on LCN for all that... the cheese, the meats..... the equipment..... licenses and permits.....
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It's not contradictory if you understand what I mean by marginalized. It's not about [i]contacts[/i], per se, but about [i]market share[/i]. Regardless of what supply contacts the LCN had in the past, or has today, they are marginal compared to the DTOs supplying the vast majority of the drugs. And, incidentally, those DTOs move the most drugs (i.e. biggest market share) because they have the strongest contacts of all considering cocaine grows only in a few South American countries and the the distribution...Colombian and Mexican cartels are able to refine their own high grade heroin.
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You cant gain market share without either superior con tacts, or going to war, and controlling all the points of distribution...
Option 2 is not an option in a city as vast as NY. Too many corners.... too many gangsters in the street.... I mean, you see this in Montreal and Toronto....
Its ALWAYS the contacts..... that's what puts you on top, unless you are ready to shed a TON of blood....