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by **Stroccos** » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:35 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:00 pm
Stroccos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:31 pm
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am DeCavs have never been into bookmaking here in Jersey at all. I’m telling you they’re all construction (almost all of them now own a Contracting company or are GC’s since being kicked out of the local union they basically ran for years) with maybe a little prostitution (massage parlors on Rt 22), shy, stolen goods, and a little dabble in drugs with the younger guys.

The big Bookmaking crews in Jersey are Westside Jersey Crew (Bruschi), Luchesse North Jersey (Perna Book), North Jersey Philly Crew (Fazzini) . Philly North Jersey Crew books are extremely small compared to the size of the top two books. I am not as familiar with South Jersey books but I’m sure it’s Philly Crew (Borgata Bust which was Lancellotti/Nicodemo’s and then Mousie’s Huge book in the South Jersey suburbs of Philly). I am also 90% sure the Westside has extended their large books down into South Jersey as well. I am also hearing that the books so far haven’t been affected that bad with legalized sports betting everywhere here in Jersey.
Didn’t The decavs have momouth county as far as bookmaking went ?
Monmouth is all Westside from my understanding. Ludwig’s Crew

here is the old breakdown for sportsbeting split , what the current one is who knows?

Genovese Somerset , Bergen , Passaic , Morris , Hudson

Phili south jersey , silver lake area of newark

lucchese union , essex , Morris
bonnano essex, middlesex , , monmouth , union

DeCavalcante monmouth , union

by **gohnjotti** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:03 pm

I believe the Colombos do have some presence, albeit by far the smallest of NY’s Five, in New Jersey purely due to overlap from their NYC operations. Soldier and former acting capo Anthony Stropoli seems to have various activities going for him in the region, soldier and former capo Tom Petrizzo has historically had Jersey-based construction rackets, and there is also some loansharking going on there that spread from Brooklyn, as evidenced by the 2011 bust.

by **Mikeymike12** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:10 pm

Since Staino took that plea deal ,who took over his South Jersey crew.
When he gets out of the halfway house who will he fit in with .?

by **eboli** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:20 pm

When Bruschi was busted he was overseeing the books from Passaic down to Ocean county. There was some sharing with Perna in the north.

by **NJShore4Life** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:00 pm

Stroccos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:31 pm
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am DeCavs have never been into bookmaking here in Jersey at all. I’m telling you they’re all construction (almost all of them now own a Contracting company or are GC’s since being kicked out of the local union they basically ran for years) with maybe a little prostitution (massage parlors on Rt 22), shy, stolen goods, and a little dabble in drugs with the younger guys.

The big Bookmaking crews in Jersey are Westside Jersey Crew (Bruschi), Luchesse North Jersey (Perna Book), North Jersey Philly Crew (Fazzini) . Philly North Jersey Crew books are extremely small compared to the size of the top two books. I am not as familiar with South Jersey books but I’m sure it’s Philly Crew (Borgata Bust which was Lancellotti/Nicodemo’s and then Mousie’s Huge book in the South Jersey suburbs of Philly). I am also 90% sure the Westside has extended their large books down into South Jersey as well. I am also hearing that the books so far haven’t been affected that bad with legalized sports betting everywhere here in Jersey.
Didn’t The decavs have momouth county as far as bookmaking went ?

Monmouth is all Westside from my understanding. Ludwig’s Crew

by **Stroccos** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:31 pm

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am DeCavs have never been into bookmaking here in Jersey at all. I’m telling you they’re all construction (almost all of them now own a Contracting company or are GC’s since being kicked out of the local union they basically ran for years) with maybe a little prostitution (massage parlors on Rt 22), shy, stolen goods, and a little dabble in drugs with the younger guys.

The big Bookmaking crews in Jersey are Westside Jersey Crew (Bruschi), Luchesse North Jersey (Perna Book), North Jersey Philly Crew (Fazzini) . Philly North Jersey Crew books are extremely small compared to the size of the top two books. I am not as familiar with South Jersey books but I’m sure it’s Philly Crew (Borgata Bust which was Lancellotti/Nicodemo’s and then Mousie’s Huge book in the South Jersey suburbs of Philly). I am also 90% sure the Westside has extended their large books down into South Jersey as well. I am also hearing that the books so far haven’t been affected that bad with legalized sports betting everywhere here in Jersey.

Didn’t The decavs have momouth county as far as bookmaking went ?

by **Wiseguy** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:32 pm

My post wasn't a correction of anything, just going over the state of things. Though, I do think it's telling one has to go back about 20 years to find the last Colombo case in Jersey.

by **NJShore4Life** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:29 pm

2004 NJ State Organized Crime report listed “more than 40 members and Associates are active in New Jersey” in regards to the Colombos. I know how rock hard guys like Wiseguy Confederate and Pogo get over government reports they read, so there u guys go

by **NJShore4Life** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:24 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:13 am
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am DeCavs have never been into bookmaking here in Jersey at all. I’m telling you they’re all construction (almost all of them now own a Contracting company or are GC’s since being kicked out of the local union they basically ran for years) with maybe a little prostitution (massage parlors on Rt 22), shy, stolen goods, and a little dabble in drugs with the younger guys.

The big Bookmaking crews in Jersey are Westside Jersey Crew (Bruschi), Luchesse North Jersey (Perna Book), North Jersey Philly Crew (Fazzini) . Philly North Jersey Crew books are extremely small compared to the size of the top two books. I am not as familiar with South Jersey books but I’m sure it’s Philly Crew (Borgata Bust which was Lancellotti/Nicodemo’s and then Mousie’s Huge book in the South Jersey suburbs of Philly). I am also 90% sure the Westside has extended their large books down into South Jersey as well. I am also hearing that the books so far haven’t been affected that bad with legalized sports betting everywhere here in Jersey.
Regarding the 5 NY families in New Jersey, at this point it seems the Colombos have essentially no presence there. The Gambinos and Bonannos are active there but it doesn't appear they have actual Jersey-based crews at this point. The Luccheses have their crew. That leaves the Genovese. It's hard to tell how many crews they have based in Jersey now and if any have merged.

I didn’t say anything about the Bonannos or Colombo’s bro? There’s guys from all 5 families , the DeCavs, and Philly here in Jersey. Bonannos have a small crew in Jersey City/Bayonne area run by Sammy Sammartino. The Colombos have guys that have moved to Jersey from Brooklyn. Randazzo was hit by the Colombos here at the Jersey Shore in Tinton Falls by Cagno. Colombos have the least amount of presence here yes. However, there’s guys from 7 different families here in Jersey, trust me.

by **Rocco** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:56 am

Stroccos wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:23 am
Rocco wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:01 am
Rat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:54 am Would you guys say Philly is the most active family outside of NY? There seems to be constant news on them, or is it just because they are covered a lot more than the others
I would say that's just because of media like Mobtalk etc. They are relatively small family with limited rackets. Gambling, Loansharking and Drugs etc.
yeah in the last ligambi case they were indicted for making 500 dollar loans ,

Philly has never had a large book for some reason. I know NY dips into South Jersey and the Philly burbs with their book. But Philly has a large coverage area for the taking South Jersey, Philly burbs and even S Fl. I guess its lack of manpower...

by **Wiseguy** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:13 am

NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am DeCavs have never been into bookmaking here in Jersey at all. I’m telling you they’re all construction (almost all of them now own a Contracting company or are GC’s since being kicked out of the local union they basically ran for years) with maybe a little prostitution (massage parlors on Rt 22), shy, stolen goods, and a little dabble in drugs with the younger guys.

The big Bookmaking crews in Jersey are Westside Jersey Crew (Bruschi), Luchesse North Jersey (Perna Book), North Jersey Philly Crew (Fazzini) . Philly North Jersey Crew books are extremely small compared to the size of the top two books. I am not as familiar with South Jersey books but I’m sure it’s Philly Crew (Borgata Bust which was Lancellotti/Nicodemo’s and then Mousie’s Huge book in the South Jersey suburbs of Philly). I am also 90% sure the Westside has extended their large books down into South Jersey as well. I am also hearing that the books so far haven’t been affected that bad with legalized sports betting everywhere here in Jersey.

Regarding the 5 NY families in New Jersey, at this point it seems the Colombos have essentially no presence there. The Gambinos and Bonannos are active there but it doesn't appear they have actual Jersey-based crews at this point. The Luccheses have their crew. That leaves the Genovese. It's hard to tell how many crews they have based in Jersey now and if any have merged.

by **NJShore4Life** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:57 am

Also besides that brokester Stango Crew Down here at the shore the DeCavs are somewhat unique in that the majority of them work legit jobs in either construction or owning a restaurant/ bar. A lot of them buy Real Estate too at the shore in Toms River/ Brick areas.

Example Jimmy Gumps owned Rockafella’s here in Ortley Beach, my buddy worked there as a bus boy when we were growing up when all the DeCav shit was going down bigtime in early 2000s. Jimmy Gumps kids run it now.

by **NJShore4Life** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:47 am

DeCavs have never been into bookmaking here in Jersey at all. I’m telling you they’re all construction (almost all of them now own a Contracting company or are GC’s since being kicked out of the local union they basically ran for years) with maybe a little prostitution (massage parlors on Rt 22), shy, stolen goods, and a little dabble in drugs with the younger guys.

The big Bookmaking crews in Jersey are Westside Jersey Crew (Bruschi), Luchesse North Jersey (Perna Book), North Jersey Philly Crew (Fazzini) . Philly North Jersey Crew books are extremely small compared to the size of the top two books. I am not as familiar with South Jersey books but I’m sure it’s Philly Crew (Borgata Bust which was Lancellotti/Nicodemo’s and then Mousie’s Huge book in the South Jersey suburbs of Philly). I am also 90% sure the Westside has extended their large books down into South Jersey as well. I am also hearing that the books so far haven’t been affected that bad with legalized sports betting everywhere here in Jersey.

by **Moscone65** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:49 am

Interesting, thanks for the insight

by **Wiseguy** » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:37 am

Pogo is correct about the DeCavalcantes. Few gambling cases over the past 20 years. Their niche was always construction in New Jersey. I think most of the gambling and other rackets were run by the NY families.

The family took a huge beating in the late 1990s and early 2000s. Especially for a small family. They had the administration, several captains, as well as a bunch of soldiers and associates indicted. Seems they've been trying to recover ever since.

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