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Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by newera_212 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:54 pm

Bklyn21 wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:17 am
newera_212 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:50 pm
Awesome chart. I wonder why the Bonnanos felt the need to bring 3 representatives to the meeting. The families were in such disarray in 98 that not all could actually send administration members? Or was it a move done out of prudence and avoiding heat. I know Graziano became Consigliere shortly after this (I think Spero was about to start trial), but it seems weird that George from Canada was there
That is a lil weird ! Isn't that around the time Sciascia was complaining about TG being wired up on drugs and it was an embarrassment to the Bonnanos that he was going to and representing the family at high level meetings with other families administration members whacked out of his mind on drugs ? Maybe he was sent to watch TG and how he conducted himself and report back ? Sciascia also was a huge direct drug trafficking conduit between himself, Montreal/Canada and to members of other families?!?! I'd like to find out myself
exactly. not sure about sciascia in relation to the other families and drugs, but the timeline of his “beef” with TG fits right into this. he was killed less than a year after this meeting. i remember reading through vitale testimony or in a book or somewhere his complaint about TG - “everytime i see this guy, he is stoned” LOL. so what George, lighten up. I wonder if TG was doing key bumps on his bathroom breaks in this very meeting. one could only wonder. so the guy liked to have a little fun?

but yeah it is kind of weird he was there. IIRC at this time, Massino was the only real, sitting Boss out of all of the 5 families (unless Bellomo was always the official boss after Gigantes death. not trying to start theories, just saying)

in “true” LCN protocol, Massino not attending something like this is normal,right? thats what the Underboss is technically for? it seems like Massino utilized the underboss position to a T...everyone (other families) was meeting with Vitale all the time

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by gohnjotti » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:25 pm

Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:54 am
gohnjotti wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:32 pm Chris Christie put “1998” in quotations because that was based on Sal Vitale’s testimony. In reality, the sitdown could only have occurred from 1993-1996. Probably ‘94 or ‘95, which is when William Cutolo agreed to rejoin the family as a soldier under Alphonse Persico.

Probably even earlier than that. Vitale said it was shortly after Joe Scopo was killed which was in October 1993.


Pogo
Good point P.

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Pogo The Clown » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:54 am

gohnjotti wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:32 pm Chris Christie put “1998” in quotations because that was based on Sal Vitale’s testimony. In reality, the sitdown could only have occurred from 1993-1996. Probably ‘94 or ‘95, which is when William Cutolo agreed to rejoin the family as a soldier under Alphonse Persico.

Probably even earlier than that. Vitale said it was shortly after Joe Scopo was killed which was in October 1993.


Pogo

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Bklyn21 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:17 am

newera_212 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:50 pm
Awesome chart. I wonder why the Bonnanos felt the need to bring 3 representatives to the meeting. The families were in such disarray in 98 that not all could actually send administration members? Or was it a move done out of prudence and avoiding heat. I know Graziano became Consigliere shortly after this (I think Spero was about to start trial), but it seems weird that George from Canada was there
That is a lil weird ! Isn't that around the time Sciascia was complaining about TG being wired up on drugs and it was an embarrassment to the Bonnanos that he was going to and representing the family at high level meetings with other families administration members whacked out of his mind on drugs ? Maybe he was sent to watch TG and how he conducted himself and report back ? Sciascia also was a huge direct drug trafficking conduit between himself, Montreal/Canada and to members of other families?!?! I'd like to find out myself

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Jbravo » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:17 am

Anything of recent dealings or past 5 yrs?

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by gohnjotti » Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:27 am

Jbravo wrote: Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:14 am Anything on Richard " the jeweler" Capichano??
He was shot 3 times during the war...wondering where he fell in being a old longtime member. What was his role in recent times?
He was a soldier in the Cutolo crew, and was reintroduced into the family in 1995 after serving on the Orena faction.

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Jbravo » Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:14 am

Anything on Richard " the jeweler" Capichano??
He was shot 3 times during the war...wondering where he fell in being a old longtime member. What was his role in recent times?

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by gohnjotti » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:32 pm

Chris Christie put “1998” in quotations because that was based on Sal Vitale’s testimony. In reality, the sitdown could only have occurred from 1993-1996. Probably ‘94 or ‘95, which is when William Cutolo agreed to rejoin the family as a soldier under Alphonse Persico.

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Frank » Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:08 pm

Nice chart. Interesting knowing the attendees of the meeting. The only thing that seems off is the year. I think that Bellomo, Generoso, and Corozzo were all incarcerated in 1998.

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by newera_212 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:50 pm

Awesome chart. I wonder why the Bonnanos felt the need to bring 3 representatives to the meeting. The families were in such disarray in 98 that not all could actually send administration members? Or was it a move done out of prudence and avoiding heat. I know Graziano became Consigliere shortly after this (I think Spero was about to start trial), but it seems weird that George from Canada was there

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Bklyn21 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:55 am

Wtf Larry?? Go shake em down and stop filing complaints on TV, It'll help out with the pizza delivery job he was working smh....

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Bklyn21 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:53 am

Lmao...Lawrence Persico was just on Channel 12 news Brooklyn complaining about food trucks in his neighborhood of Dyker heights and they need to be stopped

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by RONALD » Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:42 am

i am looking for years on the internet for the Vitale testimony, and i understand very well, that you will used it, for future post,
but can you please make a exeption for me GohnJotti, when i give you my email adres, to send it to me?
i would verry much appreciate this, you would help me alott, thanks in advance en keep up youre posts, love to read them.
grt Ronald

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by Angelo Santino » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:11 am

Re: Resolving the Colombo War.

by gohnjotti » Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:01 pm

thekiduknow wrote: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:25 pm So the Commission meeting happened around 93/94, and the family was put together roughly a year later? I'm not at all knowledgable about the Colombo's, or even this time period, I just reread this thread and want to try and get the timeline straight.
A ceasefire was called sometime in mid-to-late 1992. The following year, the ceasefire briefly broke with the murder of Orena Underboss Joseph Scopo, which essentially ended the conflict. The family remained in disarray in 1994, with the Persico and Orena factions both being separate. There were two meetings which both helped officially resolve the conflicts, although it's unsure which meeting came first.

One meeting, which was not given an accurate timeframe by Bonanno Underboss Sal Vitale, occurred with the entire Commission present. Persico Faction Acting Boss Andy Russo, who was released from prison in 1994, met with Orena Faction Representative Vinny Aloi at the meeting, and the pair discussed the conflict in a separate room, where they failed to reach a resolution. Thereafter, the rest of the Commission, de facto led by Genovese Acting Boss Liborio Bellomo, agreed to put their weight on the Persico Faction, designating them the winners of the conflict.

Another meeting occurred in approximately 1994 or 1995, shortly after both Alphonse Persico and William Cutolo were acquitted of racketeering charges and released from prison. The meeting consisted of Cutolo, Persico, and Colombo Soldiers John DeRoss and Joseph Campanella. At that meeting, Cutolo and Campanella - both Orena Faction members whose crew and affiliates represented a significant portion of the Orena Faction's strength - agreed to come back into the Colombo Family as Soldiers under newly-appointed Caporegime Alphonse Persico.

These meetings are the only two that I have seen which formally resolved the conflict. It should be noted that approximately 24 Orena Faction members refused to come back into the fold during the mid-to-late 1990s. Joseph Campanella referred to these holdout members as "the Long Island Guys," and other evidence points to various Long Islanders refusing to come back into the fold, although most of them progressively did overtime.

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