THE BLACK HAND FORUM

Snakes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:06 pm Whether its Genovese money or not the fact that he has membership lists should make him a dead ringer for being made.

Frank wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:01 pm

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:22 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:32 am

crazyjoegallo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:21 am But in the Pogo chart on genovese making ceremonies Vincent Esposito was made in the 1990s but in the genovese chart arent listed as soldier. Why?

In the chart he's listed under imprisoned members. It's pretty safe to assume he's made when you take into consideration everything the FBI found in his townhouse.

Gotta be made to be in charge of a Genovese slush fund...then again who said it was a slush fund? The FBI? Who is to say it wasnt his personal stash?

Conversations he had with another member, indicating he was in charge of money. But yes I guess it is possible that LE has it wrong, and it isn't the slush fund money, but his own or his personal families money. Maybe the slush fund money is located somewhere else.

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:22 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:32 am

crazyjoegallo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:21 am But in the Pogo chart on genovese making ceremonies Vincent Esposito was made in the 1990s but in the genovese chart arent listed as soldier. Why?

In the chart he's listed under imprisoned members. It's pretty safe to assume he's made when you take into consideration everything the FBI found in his townhouse.

Gotta be made to be in charge of a Genovese slush fund...then again who said it was a slush fund? The FBI? Who is to say it wasnt his personal stash?

Fughedaboutit wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 4:22 pm

eboli wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:32 am

crazyjoegallo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:21 am But in the Pogo chart on genovese making ceremonies Vincent Esposito was made in the 1990s but in the genovese chart arent listed as soldier. Why?

In the chart he's listed under imprisoned members. It's pretty safe to assume he's made when you take into consideration everything the FBI found in his townhouse.

Gotta be made to be in charge of a Genovese slush fund...then again who said it was a slush fund? The FBI? Who is to say it wasnt his personal stash?

eboli wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:32 am

crazyjoegallo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:21 am But in the Pogo chart on genovese making ceremonies Vincent Esposito was made in the 1990s but in the genovese chart arent listed as soldier. Why?

In the chart he's listed under imprisoned members. It's pretty safe to assume he's made when you take into consideration everything the FBI found in his townhouse.

crazyjoegallo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:21 am But in the Pogo chart on genovese making ceremonies Vincent Esposito was made in the 1990s but in the genovese chart arent listed as soldier. Why?

newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:41 pm

stubbs wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:37 pm

Hailbritain wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:35 pm And this is why the Genovese family have had the fewest informants . They’ve mastered the art of the plea deal

Right! I’d be surprised if he would’ve taken it to trial. A plea? Not surprising.

its very surprising. i know a couple people very close to the case (take that as you will, i know second hand type info and conjecture on here is taken with grains of salt for good reason) and up until a few days ago the plan was to take it to trial. hes never been convicted of a crime, felt the case was bullshit, and was planning on going to trial. he had his lawyers prepping for a real trial up until now.

its surprising to think of a genovese member going to trial, but this was different. he was approaching it from the position of not being a genovese member at all.

also its rumored that those around-the-clock guards he had to pay out the ass for stopped showing up for duty yet he still was footing the bill. they really wanted to bleed this guy

NothingNew44 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:37 am I’m still shocked at the 3.8 Million dollar loss. It has got to hurt The Family going forward. I can only assume membership was and still is irate.

UTC wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:21 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:35 pm

UTC wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:53 pm

Wiseguy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:43 pm

UTC wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:25 pm People have mocked this as a small time racket--but not if you have 15 locals doing it. Diversification

Part of the article reads Esposito confessed to making millions of dollars with fellow Genovese associates in the old-school Mafia scheme that operated between 2001-17.

The annual 10-12k annual payments were apparently just one way money was coming out of the union. According to the indictment, there was also a little over $1 million in kickbacks.

What's strange about the whole thing is Fyfe. He's a relative who obviously has his $300,000 a year union job because of his connections. Yet he's balking at paying the 10-12k a year? They, including Fyfe, were all involved in the scams together so why is Esposito even having to "extort" Fyfe?

Yes, it doesn't make sense, unless they were no longer totally in league as time went on.

Which, in turn, makes you wonder if Fyfe thought he wouldn't really be hurt because of the family connection. He certainly flipped pretty easily when the feds started looking into the union.

Astute point.