by newera_212 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:19 pm
bert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:13 pm
newera_212 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:06 pm
bert wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:16 pm
What trial was it used in?
the Bonnano trial. its alleged an agent said to Lovaglio when they were talking, and its on tape. i think the defendants lawyers probably heard it during the discovery process and are making an issue about it. a bias issue. dont blame the defense for pushing the issue...whatever sticks.. but lets not act like italians in staten island - out of all places - are victims of anything (besides getting shaken down by the types of people on trial)
I meant Italians in general, not just Staten Island. It is an offensive term. If an agent messed it in a conversation then is understandable, I thought it was used by an agent in testimony. The OP does have a point on how different groups would react and be supported.
no argument from me, offensiveness is a subjective thing. i know italians themselves jokingly have made the same exact statement as the agent referring to their own migrations from brooklyn over to SI.
i could personally care less but itd be interesting if they really could press the issue and maybe dig into the Agents past (nod to Mark Furman) and end up swaying a jury...lol. in the era we live in today it wouldnt be out of the ordinary to try some shit like that
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What trial was it used in?
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the Bonnano trial. its alleged an agent said to Lovaglio when they were talking, and its on tape. i think the defendants lawyers probably heard it during the discovery process and are making an issue about it. a bias issue. dont blame the defense for pushing the issue...whatever sticks.. but lets not act like italians in staten island - out of all places - are victims of anything (besides getting shaken down by the types of people on trial)
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I meant Italians in general, not just Staten Island. It is an offensive term. If an agent messed it in a conversation then is understandable, I thought it was used by an agent in testimony. The OP does have a point on how different groups would react and be supported.
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no argument from me, offensiveness is a subjective thing. i know italians themselves jokingly have made the same exact statement as the agent referring to their own migrations from brooklyn over to SI.
i could personally care less but itd be interesting if they really could press the issue and maybe dig into the Agents past (nod to Mark Furman) and end up swaying a jury...lol. in the era we live in today it wouldnt be out of the ordinary to try some shit like that