by newera_212 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:15 pm
Heathen wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:04 pm
newera_212 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:47 pm
its weird that the Genovese got to the point in the vetting and associate process of bringing the guy along, all the way up until he was about to get made, and a random guy from another family had to point out he was a (possible) rat.
So the guy was doing dirt and crimes and was around made guys in the most secretive and disciplined crime family in NYC, for years, yet a member of another family was the one who brought to light the guy being an informant? and they immediately killed the guy; all those years of being an associate were washed away on someone else's suspicion?
it was briefly mentione in the D'Arco book, but Al said the guy's body was found at LGA long term parking immediately after Baratta told the Genovese what he thought.
it sounds very sketchy
anyway I think Jimmy Ida was involved. not 100% sure if Bellomo got tied up with this one but it could be so. from what I remember it was Ida who the "rat" message was passed along to, and this got tacked onto Ida's charges along with the DiLorenzo hit and one other hit.
it seems like D'Arco and Ida were the primary conduits between the Lucchese and Genovese families at that time, especially involving things that needed to be passed to their Administrations, and things involving the downtown crew shit
D'Arco's book has some good stuff about the Genovese guys...he was around a lot of them just from being downtown most of his life... but I dont remember him having any direct dealings with Bellomo in the book. it sounds like he met up with Ida frequently, and Mickey Generoso as well. Ida sounded like a serious, serious guy
I believe in the book he mentions he met with Bellomo. I think you are right on about the Genovese, killing one of there guys they brought in like that, sounds fishy, although the guy making the accusation was a pretty big guy. There's posts on this forum by people who seem to have real knowledge about things, I only know what I read in the books but there have been posts, saying James Ida wouldn't have even looked twice at D'Arco and that D'Arco was full of alot of b.s.
likewise. im in the same boat as you, and i remember posts on the boards over the years (specifically from one poster) saying the same thing - D'Arco embellished a lot of shit, and Ida thought he was a jerkoff. I value and believe that poster, always enjoyed his posts... but it'd be outright egregious for D'Arco to make up his dealings with Ida. Ida seemed like a big figure in the book and made it seem like they met a lot. Im sure Al exaggerates some things, its human nature, especially with these egotistical wiseguys and egotistical rats...but i dont know...itd be crazy if he just made all that shit up
neither here nor there but I gotta say I enjoyed D'Arco's book more than just about any other book about LCN. him and Leonetti wrote the best post-Ratting books out IMO
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its weird that the Genovese got to the point in the vetting and associate process of bringing the guy along, all the way up until he was about to get made, and a random guy from another family had to point out he was a (possible) rat.
So the guy was doing dirt and crimes and was around made guys in the most secretive and disciplined crime family in NYC, for years, yet a member of another family was the one who brought to light the guy being an informant? and they immediately killed the guy; all those years of being an associate were washed away on someone else's suspicion?
it was briefly mentione in the D'Arco book, but Al said the guy's body was found at LGA long term parking immediately after Baratta told the Genovese what he thought.
it sounds very sketchy
anyway I think Jimmy Ida was involved. not 100% sure if Bellomo got tied up with this one but it could be so. from what I remember it was Ida who the "rat" message was passed along to, and this got tacked onto Ida's charges along with the DiLorenzo hit and one other hit.
it seems like D'Arco and Ida were the primary conduits between the Lucchese and Genovese families at that time, especially involving things that needed to be passed to their Administrations, and things involving the downtown crew shit
D'Arco's book has some good stuff about the Genovese guys...he was around a lot of them just from being downtown most of his life... but I dont remember him having any direct dealings with Bellomo in the book. it sounds like he met up with Ida frequently, and Mickey Generoso as well. Ida sounded like a serious, serious guy
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I believe in the book he mentions he met with Bellomo. I think you are right on about the Genovese, killing one of there guys they brought in like that, sounds fishy, although the guy making the accusation was a pretty big guy. There's posts on this forum by people who seem to have real knowledge about things, I only know what I read in the books but there have been posts, saying James Ida wouldn't have even looked twice at D'Arco and that D'Arco was full of alot of b.s.
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likewise. im in the same boat as you, and i remember posts on the boards over the years (specifically from one poster) saying the same thing - D'Arco embellished a lot of shit, and Ida thought he was a jerkoff. I value and believe that poster, always enjoyed his posts... but it'd be outright egregious for D'Arco to make up his dealings with Ida. Ida seemed like a big figure in the book and made it seem like they met a lot. Im sure Al exaggerates some things, its human nature, especially with these egotistical wiseguys and egotistical rats...but i dont know...itd be crazy if he just made all that shit up
neither here nor there but I gotta say I enjoyed D'Arco's book more than just about any other book about LCN. him and Leonetti wrote the best post-Ratting books out IMO