Revisiting Colombo 1963

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bn wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:07 pm I recall seeing somewhere in Greg Scarpa files where Greg, Sal Scarpa, James ‘Jimmy Barber’ Rubertone, and Vincent Mangano were listed under Ambrose Magliocco.

I might be confused myself but I very vaguely remember some MaryFerrell files where Anthony Peraino and one another name was listed under Sam Badalamenti. Leo Carlino may have been under Badalamenti as well.

This chart should be somewhat similar to JD’s 1965 chart.
Leo Carlino was a Bonanno under Angelo Caruso.

Scarpa and Rubertone were def with Ambrose Magliocco. Rubertone was the acting captain. Mangano would make sense since he was so close to the Profacis/Maglioccos.

Not sure if Peraino was with Badalamenti but they were very close. The early guys from Carini were around his father before he was killed.
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This was Joseph Licari :

JOSEPH LICARI
DOB: May 19 1928
POB: Norwalk, CT
F: John Licari
M: Mary “Franklin” Franchino
W: Marie Vito
Occupation: Quality control - Monsanto
Address: 140 E Sylvan Ave, Newark, NJ
Previous Addresses: 4 Bouton St, Norwalk, CT; 136 Jefferson St, Brooklyn, NY
New Haven PD #: 83650
Death: Aug 27 1981 [1073 Sullivan St, Deltona, FL]

I don’t know what crew he would have been with, he was closely associated with Ralph Tropiano. However, Bob Buccino’s book lists him as part of the NJ Lucchese crew.
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I have Ralph Tropiano as born in 1912 in New Haven to Biagio “Jerry” Tropiano and Lucia Vingiano, both of Castellammare di Stabia, Salerno. George Tropiano was born in 1915 in New Haven.

By 1925 the family had relocated to Brooklyn, where Biagio ran a barber shop. In 1930, they lived on the northern border of Dyker Heights near Boro Park, at 1114 65th St; worth noting that a Scarpa lived on this block at the time, whose family was from Nocera Inferiore, Salerno.

Was talking to B about this, but Wikipedia erroneously claims that Greg Scarpa’s parents were both from Veneto province. He was born Gregorio Scarpa in 1928 in Brooklyn to Salvatore Scarpa of Nocera Inferiore, and Maria Palmetti of Terlizzi, Bari. Salvatore arrived in the US in 1913, bound for New London, CT; on his WW1 draft card he was living and working in Philadelphia. In 1918, he married Maria Palmitti in New London; in 1920, they lived in Waterford, CT. The Scarpas relocated to Brooklyn around the same time as the Tropianos, in the early 1920s. In 1930, the Scarpas lived at 837 44th St in Boro Park (by happenstance, Frankie Yale was killed in 1928 on the next block of 44th St, across 9th Ave. Perhaps baby Gregorio heard the gunshots from his crib, kindling a lifelong blood lust).

Based on the shared origins in Salerno and connections to CT, I’m wondering if it’s coincidence that both Scarpa and the Tropianos wound up in the Profaci/Colombo Family.

Also perhaps not coincidence:
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JoelTurner wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:05 pm Where was Persico's family from?
Carmine John Persico Sr was born in 1909 in BK to Marco Persico and Angelina Granaldi of San Fele, Potenza, Basilicata (near Muro Lucano, where a bunch of Chicago members like the Cerones were from edit: Genovese member Swats Mulligan Ciaffone was also from Muro Lucano). His wife, Assunta Plantamura (the Persico brothers’ mother), was born in 1911 in BK to Michele Plantamura of Nocera Inferiore, Salerno, Campania, and Caterina Lauro of the neighboring comune of Nocera Superiore (DeCav member Louie Consalvo, Genovese members Nick Buffania and Edward Lanzieri, and Chicago capo Joe Ferriola also had ancestry from Nocera Inferiore).
Worth noting also that Nocera Inferiore borders Pagani which in turn borders Angri; the Capones and Frank Nitto were from Angri while several members of the old Navy St Camorra group were from Angri and Pagani.
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JoelTurner wrote: Tue Nov 29, 2022 7:42 pm This was Joseph Licari :

JOSEPH LICARI
DOB: May 19 1928
POB: Norwalk, CT
F: John Licari
M: Mary “Franklin” Franchino
W: Marie Vito
Occupation: Quality control - Monsanto
Address: 140 E Sylvan Ave, Newark, NJ
Previous Addresses: 4 Bouton St, Norwalk, CT; 136 Jefferson St, Brooklyn, NY
New Haven PD #: 83650
Death: Aug 27 1981 [1073 Sullivan St, Deltona, FL]

I don’t know what crew he would have been with, he was closely associated with Ralph Tropiano. However, Bob Buccino’s book lists him as part of the NJ Lucchese crew.
Joseph Licari’s father was actually named Gaspare Licari; he was from Marsala. Joseph’s mother Mary Franklin/Francolino was born in Norwalk to Domenico Francolino and Lucia Avellone; both parents were from Campania, probably Salerno province.
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Question regarding the Gallos and their crew. Joe Larry and the crew are listed as members here and the 65 chart. After the war the remaining crew were transferred to other families. Pennisi said on one of his shows when asked in a Q&a that soldiers can’t be transferred to other families. And the gallos and their crew were associates when they got transferred.
I always had the impression they were all made. Joey the captain. Were they not made members at the time of the war? Were they all on,y associates and just Joey being a soldier.
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BensonhurstGuy wrote: Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:55 am Question regarding the Gallos and their crew. Joe Larry and the crew are listed as members here and the 65 chart. After the war the remaining crew were transferred to other families. Pennisi said on one of his shows when asked in a Q&a that soldiers can’t be transferred to other families. And the gallos and their crew were associates when they got transferred.
I always had the impression they were all made. Joey the captain. Were they not made members at the time of the war? Were they all on,y associates and just Joey being a soldier.

Joey and Larry were made members but they weren't transferred. They stayed Colombos. Albert was an associate who was transferred to and later made in the Genovese family. As was Frank Illiano. Another Gallo associate, Mike Rizetello, transferred to and was made in the LA family.


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Random note, but in addition to Jilly Greca being the son of member / acting captain Joe Greca his uncle was member Louis Barbusca.
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These were the guys under Nick Sorrentino

FNU Colombo (1)
FNU Colombo (2)
Frank 'Ghandi' LoCicero
Anthony 'Tony Lap' LaPonzina
Ralph 'Ralphie' LaPonzina (Florida)
Ernest 'Ernie Lap' LaPonzina
Frank 'Papa Dick' Fusco

Benedetto D'Alessandro was possibly a member of this crew.


These guys were under Joe Colombo by Summer 1964:

Lawrence 'Larry' Gallo
Joseph 'Joe' Gallo
John 'Mooney' Cutrone
'Rocky' TNU (Prob. Miraglia)
Carmine Persico Jr.
Joseph LNU (bro-in-law of Joe Colombo)
Joseph 'Joe Yac' Yacovelli
Anthony 'Tony Abbey' Abbatemarco
Ralph 'Whitey' Tropiano
Anthony 'Tony Long' Ricciardi
Salvatore Profaci (Not the son of Joe Profaci)
Anthony Magliocco
Modesto 'Duke' Santoro


Guys under Badalamenti:

Vincenzo Randazzo
Anthony 'Big Tony' Peraino (CI was questionable)


Harry Fontana Crew:

Philip Fontana
Salvatore Fontana
John Scimione
James 'Jimmy' Muce
John 'Little John' Capichano
Benjamin 'Benny' LoCicero
Aniello 'Allie LaMont' Giannatatsio
Jimmy 'Bat' Cardello
others
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This was Joseph Leone:

Lombardino crew

JOSEPH LEONE
(Jo-Jo)
DOB: Jun 13 1919
POB: Newark, NJ
F: Salvatore Leone
M: Geraldine
W: Aurora DeFederico [D.1975], Doris Thogode [m.1983]
Occupation: Self-Employed - Food Salesman
Address: 170 Greenwood Loop Rd, Brick Township, NJ
Previous Addresses: 44 Manchester Ct, Freehold, NJ; 61 Pacific St, Newark, NJ
FBI #: 423537
SBI #: 293162
Death: Apr 20 1996 at Hightstown, NJ

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He was arrested for murder with Anthony Caponigro and his crew in the '40s; it's possible he started out with that group initially.
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Guys under Badalamenti:

Vincenzo Randazzo
Anthony 'Big Tony' Peraino (CI was questionable)
Maybe it's the same report, but a CI knew Tony Peraino to be very close to Badalamenti. These relationships look to go back to his father Giuseppe Peraino as some of his closest associates were the guys from Carini.

Both Tony and Joe Peraino were also Tom DiBella's top guys who helped him carry messages and host meetings in the 1970s. Wouldn't be surprised if this too goes back to a relationship between their fathers.
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JoelTurner wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:28 pm This was John D'Amico

Lombardino crew

GIOVANNI D'AMICO
DOB: Mar 19 1891
POB: Villabate, Italy
F: Domenico D'Amico
M: Angelina Lombardo
W: Anna Chiacchiaro
Occupation: Owner of pork store - meat market
Address: 520 North 7th St, Newark, NJ
Death: Jul 29 1980 (Could be wrong person)
John D’Amico died on March 28 1960. Not a member in 1963
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JoelTurner wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:50 am
JoelTurner wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:28 pm This was John D'Amico

Lombardino crew

GIOVANNI D'AMICO
DOB: Mar 19 1891
POB: Villabate, Italy
F: Domenico D'Amico
M: Angelina Lombardo
W: Anna Chiacchiaro
Occupation: Owner of pork store - meat market
Address: 520 North 7th St, Newark, NJ
Death: Jul 29 1980 (Could be wrong person)
John D’Amico died on March 28 1960. Not a member in 1963
D'Amico is probably the same as the FNU D'Amico who was an attendee at the 1965 NJ regime meeting. The FBI later identified this individual as John D'Amico.
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bn wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:30 pm
JoelTurner wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:50 am
JoelTurner wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:28 pm This was John D'Amico

Lombardino crew

GIOVANNI D'AMICO
DOB: Mar 19 1891
POB: Villabate, Italy
F: Domenico D'Amico
M: Angelina Lombardo
W: Anna Chiacchiaro
Occupation: Owner of pork store - meat market
Address: 520 North 7th St, Newark, NJ
Death: Jul 29 1980 (Could be wrong person)
John D’Amico died on March 28 1960. Not a member in 1963
D'Amico is probably the same as the FNU D'Amico who was an attendee at the 1965 NJ regime meeting. The FBI later identified this individual as John D'Amico.
It couldn’t have been John D’Amico. He died on March 28 1960; so he couldn’t have attended a meeting in 1965.

(https://www.familysearch.org/tree/sourc ... YP?context)

Maybe it was Gaspare D’Amico who would have belonged to the NJ crew even if he lived in Puerto Rico.
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JoelTurner wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2023 8:00 am
bn wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2023 8:30 pm
JoelTurner wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 9:50 am
JoelTurner wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:28 pm This was John D'Amico

Lombardino crew

GIOVANNI D'AMICO
DOB: Mar 19 1891
POB: Villabate, Italy
F: Domenico D'Amico
M: Angelina Lombardo
W: Anna Chiacchiaro
Occupation: Owner of pork store - meat market
Address: 520 North 7th St, Newark, NJ
Death: Jul 29 1980 (Could be wrong person)
John D’Amico died on March 28 1960. Not a member in 1963
D'Amico is probably the same as the FNU D'Amico who was an attendee at the 1965 NJ regime meeting. The FBI later identified this individual as John D'Amico.
It couldn’t have been John D’Amico. He died on March 28 1960; so he couldn’t have attended a meeting in 1965.

(https://www.familysearch.org/tree/sourc ... YP?context)

Maybe it was Gaspare D’Amico who would have belonged to the NJ crew even if he lived in Puerto Rico.
The FBI identified the FNU D'Amico as John/Giovanni D'Amico, brother of former Newark Boss Gasper D'Amico. JD has D'Amico (John) alive by 1965.
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B. wrote: Sat Nov 26, 2022 3:17 pm
bn wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:07 pm I recall seeing somewhere in Greg Scarpa files where Greg, Sal Scarpa, James ‘Jimmy Barber’ Rubertone, and Vincent Mangano were listed under Ambrose Magliocco.

I might be confused myself but I very vaguely remember some MaryFerrell files where Anthony Peraino and one another name was listed under Sam Badalamenti. Leo Carlino may have been under Badalamenti as well.

This chart should be somewhat similar to JD’s 1965 chart.
Leo Carlino was a Bonanno under Angelo Caruso.

Scarpa and Rubertone were def with Ambrose Magliocco. Rubertone was the acting captain. Mangano would make sense since he was so close to the Profacis/Maglioccos.

Not sure if Peraino was with Badalamenti but they were very close. The early guys from Carini were around his father before he was killed.
I also have Bartolo Ferrigno (61y) and Vincent 'Jimmy' Muce (42y) with Ambrose Magliocco's crew ca 1963.
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