Boston 80s?

[Stroccos]

The Italians could have whacked Whitey at any time, Flemmi would never have avenged him or risked his own ass going to war over Whitey, he was an opportunist at his core, not a loyalist. Weeks too. I don't know why they never whacked Whitey, especially since he was more of a shakedown artist/extortionist than a real racketeer or earner. That said, there had to be some kind of mutual financial interest between Whitey and the Italians that kept him alive. The italians were never as strong after Patriarca went.

And no, Angiulo did not buy his button, he was old school as they come and a force in the north end for many many years.

Who knows why they never tired to whack whitey , maybe because of what happens if they failed ,

[Sol]

"The Townie crew had to teach Billy a lesson when he shook down the wrong people. They put on their bullet proof vests and armed up with Tech 9s and walked into the Sons of Italy in Medford to talk to Billy and let him know to never fuck with the Charlestown crew or people associated with it. Billy listened to every word they said and respected their wishes. They are all cool now tho and everyone gets along again. "

Tj and Luca or anyone from Boston posters, have you guys heard anything about this event taking place between Billy A and the Charlestown crew?......Soliai

[Dwalin2014]

Maybe they didn't dare to whack him because of his FBI protectors. If Whitey couldn't handle the Cosa Nostra by himself, the FBI could...

And no, Angiulo did not buy his button, he was old school as they come and a force in the north end for many many years.

He ordered murders after he was made, but never pulled the trigger to be made, he was a big earner and that gave him a privilege, why do you say he didn't buy the button? Technically, he did.

[Eddie mush]

Alot probably most guys dont pull the trigger . If u make enough money u will get made . Buying a button is diffrent . Legit guys have bought buttons for protection. Gerry started out on the street making bundles of cash theu numbers , bookmaking and underground casinos . He was a earner from day 1

[yatescj7781]

Martorano in his book talks about Gerry A and his button. Great book.

[Luca Brasi]

Martorano in his book talks about Gerry A and his button. Great book.

Whether it is BS or truth, his book had the most info about a wider variety of things going on, People doinf these things, etc.. Some of the names he wrote about shocked my old man. It was alot better than the other guy's books from that crew. John M had more contacts throughout the area. In my neighborhood alot. Take care,

Luca

[TJ]

Solar, never heard of anything if billy and Charlestown and sons of italy etc, sounds like a fairy tale...Gerry was sharp..greedybut sharp..I guess he bought his way to top, but when there he ruled it with and iron ist..earned as much as anyone has..Johnny m...Yatescj, little shocked at u, a lot of this book can’t be collaborated , I know u r big on that..the foolishness about the pitcher with the no hitter haha..Johnny did have a colorful life, and he enhanced a lot of it in his book..and contrary to what many say, any real street guy will call him like he is..rat motherfucker like all the others..johnny named all the unindicted coonspirators, lied about some, and they weren’t indicted because of the lack of corroboration notcause he set up some deal...lot of ‘lucky’ guys over in winter hill...but, hey, at least peter L benefited...

[yatescj7781]

Solar, never heard of anything if billy and Charlestown and sons of italy etc, sounds like a fairy tale...Gerry was sharp..greedybut sharp..I guess he bought his way to top, but when there he ruled it with and iron ist..earned as much as anyone has..Johnny m...Yatescj, little shocked at u, a lot of this book can’t be collaborated , I know u r big on that..the foolishness about the pitcher with the no hitter haha..Johnny did have a colorful life, and he enhanced a lot of it in his book..and contrary to what many say, any real street guy will call him like he is..rat motherfucker like all the others..johnny named all the unindicted coonspirators, lied about some, and they weren’t indicted because of the lack of corroboration notcause he set up some deal...lot of ‘lucky’ guys over in winter hill...but, hey, at least peter L benefited...

What do you mean shocked? I'm not familiar with Boston. Martarano seems credible. He killed 20 people. You saying he is lying? I have an open mind if you have any info I'd like to hear it. He is a self serving rat, I know his book ain't the whole truth.

[TJ]

I had some sarcasm there, obviously, as u said self serving rat and like all those cases is overstating his importance and his reasons for ratting...think about this fact...whole world knew Johnny was in fla on the lam , stayed 16 years, on a bullshit horse race fixing indictment he would have gotten between 3 to 5 for btw..so everyone knows wink wink, including Connelly, and yet he gets to stay there...and he gets pinched, again originally on charges in 1995 that he probably gets around 10 to 12 for....but, nooo johnny is ‘shocked’ Whitney and Stevie are rats, and that connelly is what he is. Suuure, jihnny was shocked and saddened......and I play center for the celts...no johnny wasn’t shocked, johnny...couldn’t do the time..end of story...so he adopts the story of how he’s gonna end this shit and how u can’t rat on rat...sounds nice...except for the fact that this triumverate kept u running for 16 years in fuckin sunny south wise guy haven florida, a zillion people from up here saw j.m. Down there from 1980 til 1995...he wasn’t in Idaho, ...there was no shock on his part, if anything, he knew all along of how the 3 of them were, but his pitch worked, and some on the street believe it, or are scared shitless of him..I ...do neither one of those 2...

[TJ]

His early actions had a positive influence getting peter out, and a lot of guys locally were gone and had nothing to say afterwards, but that does not make it right

[TJ]

Wait..not only does he get to stay there, he’s running around myrdering people, and the feds are mentioning in 302 they hear he’s doing so, haha, yeah, like he was the boogie man appearing out of thin air and then vanishing...my point...Connelly kept him safe, and johnny if he didn’t know directly, well he had a real good idea..but...face a decade inside, and, well, what those 3 did to me, that’s unacceptable...haha sure Johnny, a tragedy...

[Eddie mush]

Tj if the renegade faction lead by J.R. took control of things instead of being indicted do u think they wud have wiped out whitey and the boyz or kept same arrangement gerry had with them ??

[TJ]

kept the same, no need to..whitey and stevie werent pushing on them..sure..everyone grabbed a buck wherever they could, always did..there was no reason to wipe them out tho..and stevie and sonny at that time had a good repoir, obviously they were both bad, but the rest of the world didnt know that

[dixiemafia]

Martorano in his book talks about Gerry A and his button. Great book.

Whether it is BS or truth, his book had the most info about a wider variety of things going on, People doinf these things, etc.. Some of the names he wrote about shocked my old man. It was alot better than the other guy's books from that crew. John M had more contacts throughout the area. In my neighborhood alot. Take care,

Luca

What did he say about Gerry and his button?

As for the question, in the 80's there is no way Winter Hill could win a war against the Patriarca's. Like has been mentioned, the 90's changed things as many of the heavy hitters for the Patriarca's were in prison or dead.

Also don't forget that Whitey owed Gerry over 250k at one point. Why pop him when he's paying on that debt?

[JakeTheSnake630]

The Italians could have whacked Whitey at any time, Flemmi would never have avenged him or risked his own ass going to war over Whitey, he was an opportunist at his core, not a loyalist. Weeks too. I don't know why they never whacked Whitey, especially since he was more of a shakedown artist/extortionist than a real racketeer or earner. That said, there had to be some kind of mutual financial interest between Whitey and the Italians that kept him alive. The italians were never as strong after Patriarca went.

And no, Angiulo did not buy his button, he was old school as they come and a force in the north end for many many years.

Hello all, I’m a longtime reader, but new poster on this forum. I am pretty certain Anguilla bought his button. Everything I have ever heard or read says that He was tired of getting shaken down by Zannino. He went down to the office(Ray Sr) with 50k and promised 100k annually for the rights to Boston. He was def a stand up guy and old school. But he never made his bones like one would have to traditionally.