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I see what you are saying, but I was under the understanding that the chop shop wars were more about various outfit crews muscling in on independent chop shops, not so much fighting with each other for control

The Amato and Delaurentis turf battle thing was always a little confusing to me. Didn’t the bosses of the outfit determine who had what territory? Wouldn’t, Accardo, Aiuppa, and Cerone basically say “this now belongs to Solly D”? I just figured for seemingly made guys those decisions were black-and-...

this is weird https://patch.com/illinois/burrridge/see-capri-ristorante-owners-outburst-meeting Rovito is a wannabe in the worst way. Not so sure. Some here have info that he may be a made guy. Also, there is direct evidence he may be serious, or at the very least well connected. He was the go betw...

Seemed like Vena was under a lot of scrutiny/surveillance there for a while, so it seems unlikely that he hangs at such a known “mob bar”. Also he lives in the burbs and is in his 70’s….but who knows

I used to walk past Richards every day on my commute to work. I've tied one on with Bobby numerous times and he's always been a super nice guy. I've never mentioned the mob or anything like that, but he's bought me countless drinks over the years and always been super friendly. I worked in politics...

Some of this was in Scott’s reporting, but a couple years ago there were constant rumors and chatter about the feds really going after Vena and the grand Avenue crew. As we all know, they were able to get some key members with operation crew, cut, and the Chucky Russell thing, but Vena was left unsc...

The BHF is now open to guests. Anyone can come on here. I’m personally not keen to have guys’ names connected to allegations of serious criminal activity when there is nothing to substantiate this in the public record. It’s different when we’re discussing the criminal background of guys like Carpar...

Good to see a chart like that in 2024.

As others have said, I can think of a few guys who should be on there off the top of my head but won’t nitpick. I am fairly confident there are a handful of guys flying under the radar as it relates to both grand ave and 26th st as well

Paloian owned the URL for DelGiudice's website. Paloian also paid money into Sarno's commissary account. I think you'd have to be pretty naive not to see a connection there. Nobody here is saying this is the 1956 Outfit or even that they are at the level of any of the NYC families Due to the contri...

Remember like 10-12 years ago when posters on these types of forums were saying that the outfit was dead and that Difronzo “shut it down”? . There’s always so much more going on than we realise. The way I read this investigation is they were obviously going for something larger, but couldn’t quite h...

Also important to re-iterate that especially in the modern day outfit, crews are likely not as bound by geographical limitations. I.E the Elmwood Park crew is likely not truly based in EP, and has guys all over the western suburbs. It's very possible that Solly D has Cicero guys operating in the act...

I feel very fortunate that there are routine posters on this board who do extensive research, host podcasts, and provide so many of us with a level of detail that we would never get otherwise. I'm very grateful, and the Black Hand, without a doubt, has been the best source of outfit information and ...

Second photo from the top. Is that Chris Spina 2nd from left?

As far as candidates for guys that were made during that rumored Sarno period between 2005-2010, these are 100% speculation but are good candidates based on whatever info is out there. I would absolutely also think there are some guys that no one on this board has ever heard of and aren't listed her...

There are other names but completely unverified. Sarno was apparently very aggressive while Marcello was locked up. I don't know much about their relationship while both were on the street, but Sarno (allegedly) had Zizzo taken out after Marcello went away the second time and took over the Outfit. ...