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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by PolackTony » Tue May 28, 2024 4:38 pm

The Anthony Besase from this case was a relative of Anthony “Whitey” Besase, a Detroit outfit member based out of Toledo who died in 1977. I believe that he was in fact Whitey’s son, Anthony Jr, but I’m not 100% certain.

As B and I have discussed before also, there was a longer term context to Chicago connections to Toledo, as Rosario Siragusa (aka Russell Syracuse, aka “Sam Dispenza”), lived for decades in Elmwood Park as a fugitive from the law under an assumed identity for a 1930s homicide in Toledo. Rosario, who may well have been a “sleeper” Chicago member for many years, was the father of longtime mob-connected attorney Sam Syracuse, who was a close associate of the Cerones and had three daughters marry members of the Detroit outfit. The Besase thing in the 80s was clearly not a one-off connection, as there are longer standing ties between the Detroit and Chicago Families that are otherwise not going to be legible to outsiders.

The raid on Christ Savides’s condo recovered 10 kilos of coke, along with firearms and gambling paraphernalia, and LE believed that Besase was supplying a Chicago-based distribution ring via a source in FL. Note also that Savides was represented in this case by outfit-crony attorney Ed Genson.

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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue May 28, 2024 11:59 am

Came across an older indictment from 1986 following a raid on a gambling house in Park Ridge operated by Don Greco and Joseph Pace - notably, one of the guys picked up at this house was Anthony 'Whitey" Besase who was from Toledo and aligned with the Detroit mob if I am not mistaken.

https://casetext.com/case/us-v-savides

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Patrickgold » Sat May 25, 2024 5:04 pm

Brother of businessman convicted of bribing state officials pleads guilty to lying to feds about Chicago mob connections
By Jason Meisner
May 20 at 2:05 PM CT


The brother of James Weiss, the politically connected business owner convicted of bribing two state elected officials, pleaded guilty Monday to lying to federal investigators about his brother’s mob contacts, including connections to notorious Outfit hit man Frank “The German” Schweihs.
Joseph “Joey” Weiss, 44, of Oak Lawn, entered his plea to one count of lying to the FB. The charge carries up to five years in prison, but preliminary sentencing guidelines call for only up to six months behind bars for Weiss, who has no criminal history. Probation is also an option.
U.S. District Judge Matthew Kennelly set a sentencing hearing for Aug 12.
The charges against Weiss, which were made public in October, brought new mob intrigue to a case that already had elements of political corruption, a state senator-turned-government mole, a corrupt former police officer and the shady world of sweepstakes gaming machines.

According to the six-page indictment, Weiss collected revenue and performed other services for his brother’s sweepstakes gaming business, which operated the quasi-legal machines that look like video poker terminals but are not regulated by the state.
In October 2020, the brother, James Weiss, who is the son-in-law of former Cook County Assessor Joseph Berrios, was charged in a superseding indictment with attempting to pay off two state legislators to pass a bill beneficial to his sweepstakes gaming company and then lying about it to two FBI agents.
The next year a new federal grand jury investigation was initiated to determine whether James Weiss, his company or another co-owner of the company, identified only as Individual B, had any ties to the Chicago Outfit, and in particular Schweihs, the mob hit man who was charged in the landmark Family Secrets case more than a decade earlier, according to Joseph Weiss’ 15-page plea agreement with prosecutors.
Schweihs, who according to authorities spent decades as a reputed enforcer for the mob’s Grand Avenue street crew, died of cancer in 2008 while awaiting trial.

In January 2022, more than a year after his brother’s indictment, Joseph Weiss lied to FBI and IRS agents in an interview when he denied knowing anyone who used to do business with Schweihs, including both his brother and Individual B, according to the plea agreement.
After being told that a federal grand jury was examining the connections, Weiss allegedly told investigators, “I swear I’ve been honest. I think I’ve given you what I know,” the charges alleged.
But it turned out that Joseph Weiss had been caught on a federal wiretap saying his brother was “good friends” with Schweihs and once went to him for protection for his massage parlors being threatened by other gangsters.
Joseph Weiss was also recorded telling someone his brother had partnered up with “a known longtime mob associate,” Individual B, after Weiss had reportedly gone to Schweihs for help, according to prosecutors.

“Yeah, well, Jimmy and Frank were good friends, and some Russians were muscling Jimmy, but Frank was on the run,” Joseph Weiss allegedly told an unidentified person in a wiretapped call. “Frank was in hiding and Jimmy called Frank and says, hey man, these guys just busted up my (expletive store). Scared the (expletive) out of the girls, this and that, you know, I need your help, where the (expletive) are you?”
At the time, Schweihs had been charged in the Family Secrets mob case and was on the run. According to the brother’s story, The German told Weiss, “‘Jim, I’m underground right now … but I’ll have someone call you right back.’”
“Somebody called Jimmy” and told him to go see Individual B, who “straightened it all out,” Joseph Weiss said, according to the transcript of the call that was detailed in James Weiss’ sentencing papers. “Ever since then, they’re partners on everything. The problem is (Individual B)’s like a gangster but he’s an honest guy. If you’re his friend, you’re his friend.”
Prosecutors have called the description of Individual B as a gangster “an apt one.”
In a separate undercover recording “Individual B admitted that James Weiss ‘is with me,’ referencing their joint involvement with gaming machines,” prosecutors said in their sentencing filing in that case.
The filing also alleged that Individual B’s now-deceased girlfriend was a partner in one of James Weiss’ gambling businesses and received hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments from him.
James Weiss’ attorneys have denied that Weiss has any connection to Schweihs, saying he had never met him and never did business with him.
Weiss, who was sentenced by U.S. District Judge Steven Seeger in October to 5 ½ years in prison, is at a federal prison facility in Minnesota and due to be released in August 2028, records show.
The Tribune has previously reported that Weiss’ business partners used a complex web of limited liability company names that often shared addresses, including one called Mac-T that used an address of 723 W. Grand Ave. in Chicago, which is a single-room occupancy hotel in the same building that houses the Italian restaurant La Scarola and Richard’s Bar.
Richard’s is owned, on paper at least, by the sister of Robert “Bobby” Dominic, a reputed Outfit associate who, according to FBI and Chicago records, ran pornography and gambling interests for the Grand Avenue crew, which was headed by legendary mobster Joseph “The Clown” Lombardo.
Meanwhile, records obtained by the Tribune show the same federal grand jury looking into Weiss’ mob connections is also interested in Dominic.
Dominic has not been charged and couldn’t immediately be reached for comment

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by funkster » Fri May 24, 2024 10:04 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 6:40 am It's a Godfather reference talking about 'your father running trucks of molasses from Canada' - the scene with Hyman Roth and Michael Coreleone. I don't think Solly was a gangster during prohibition lol.
Yes, obviously its the Godfather. But odd nonetheless.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Antiliar » Wed May 22, 2024 2:42 pm

Matty Iadanza was Tony Danza's father. Vincent was just being weird. Sometimes in his strange comments he lets out a nugget of truth.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Wed May 22, 2024 11:39 am

Ivan wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 8:13 am Momo flick Sugartime available in its entirety for free on YouTube. Is this thing accurate? Worth a watch?
OK nevermind I went ahead and watched it. Blasi and Giancana having a final showdown over McGuire ("She's my girl! And she'll always be my girl!") before Blasi whacks him is one of the funnier things I've seen in a mob movie.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Wed May 22, 2024 8:13 am

Momo flick Sugartime available in its entirety for free on YouTube. Is this thing accurate? Worth a watch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IP9_wGqIxI

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Wed May 22, 2024 6:40 am

It's a Godfather reference talking about 'your father running trucks of molasses from Canada' - the scene with Hyman Roth and Michael Coreleone. I don't think Solly was a gangster during prohibition lol.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Antiliar » Tue May 21, 2024 10:02 pm

funkster wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 7:56 pm
Antiliar wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 10:17 am Solly D's son wrote, "My uncle LOUIE was his [Joey DiVarco] partner in the Orange Juice business. They were brining it up from Florida - illegally. Kinda like alcohol during the bootlegging era but orange juice. Made a lot of money. Obviously the OJ with PULP made much more but very lucrative anyway."

"...well when they were active a gallon of OJ cost .86 cents. His partner J. DIVARCO partner in crime had a connected job with TROPICANA. What this guy did was he found a way to pasteurize the OJ and they started shipping around the country. It started out in FLA obviously at .86 cents a gallon but by the time it got to let’s say PORTLAND , OREGON for example the price would triple. So yes you could buy a gallon in Florida for cheap but by the time it traveled throughout the USA the price increased."

Greg wrote: "before that he ran molasses from Canada. Your father provided the trucks."

"DAMN RIGHT HE PROVIDED THE TRUCKS."

"they used the vans."

"Do you know who else was in that business. ?"

"which business? OJ or Molasses?"

"The OJ business. Well the same trucks that came from the molasses were used in the OJ. Not the same but same crew of people who supplied them. I’m sorry yes the OJ business. Let me get right to it. Matthew “Matty “ Iadanza was also in the OJ business."

"you know who was in the bbq business? Mario Dispensa. Mario Dispensa vs Herbie the fat H@be Blitzstein."

"Herbie - smarter wiser , very clever. Mario - Batshit crazy."
What is this? A facebook post he made?
In the comments

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by funkster » Tue May 21, 2024 7:56 pm

Antiliar wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 10:17 am Solly D's son wrote, "My uncle LOUIE was his [Joey DiVarco] partner in the Orange Juice business. They were brining it up from Florida - illegally. Kinda like alcohol during the bootlegging era but orange juice. Made a lot of money. Obviously the OJ with PULP made much more but very lucrative anyway."

"...well when they were active a gallon of OJ cost .86 cents. His partner J. DIVARCO partner in crime had a connected job with TROPICANA. What this guy did was he found a way to pasteurize the OJ and they started shipping around the country. It started out in FLA obviously at .86 cents a gallon but by the time it got to let’s say PORTLAND , OREGON for example the price would triple. So yes you could buy a gallon in Florida for cheap but by the time it traveled throughout the USA the price increased."

Greg wrote: "before that he ran molasses from Canada. Your father provided the trucks."

"DAMN RIGHT HE PROVIDED THE TRUCKS."

"they used the vans."

"Do you know who else was in that business. ?"

"which business? OJ or Molasses?"

"The OJ business. Well the same trucks that came from the molasses were used in the OJ. Not the same but same crew of people who supplied them. I’m sorry yes the OJ business. Let me get right to it. Matthew “Matty “ Iadanza was also in the OJ business."

"you know who was in the bbq business? Mario Dispensa. Mario Dispensa vs Herbie the fat H@be Blitzstein."

"Herbie - smarter wiser , very clever. Mario - Batshit crazy."
What is this? A facebook post he made?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Mon May 20, 2024 8:55 am

Cosmik_Debris wrote: Mon May 20, 2024 8:44 am I wonder what pops thinks about internet posts like this? Wow.
His father occasionally posts shit like Godfather memes :lol:.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Cosmik_Debris » Mon May 20, 2024 8:44 am

Antiliar wrote: Sat May 18, 2024 10:17 am Solly D's son wrote, "My uncle LOUIE was his [Joey DiVarco] partner in the Orange Juice business. They were brining it up from Florida - illegally. Kinda like alcohol during the bootlegging era but orange juice. Made a lot of money. Obviously the OJ with PULP made much more but very lucrative anyway."

"...well when they were active a gallon of OJ cost .86 cents. His partner J. DIVARCO partner in crime had a connected job with TROPICANA. What this guy did was he found a way to pasteurize the OJ and they started shipping around the country. It started out in FLA obviously at .86 cents a gallon but by the time it got to let’s say PORTLAND , OREGON for example the price would triple. So yes you could buy a gallon in Florida for cheap but by the time it traveled throughout the USA the price increased."

Greg wrote: "before that he ran molasses from Canada. Your father provided the trucks."

"DAMN RIGHT HE PROVIDED THE TRUCKS."

"they used the vans."

"Do you know who else was in that business. ?"

"which business? OJ or Molasses?"

"The OJ business. Well the same trucks that came from the molasses were used in the OJ. Not the same but same crew of people who supplied them. I’m sorry yes the OJ business. Let me get right to it. Matthew “Matty “ Iadanza was also in the OJ business."

"you know who was in the bbq business? Mario Dispensa. Mario Dispensa vs Herbie the fat H@be Blitzstein."

"Herbie - smarter wiser , very clever. Mario - Batshit crazy."
I wonder what pops thinks about internet posts like this? Wow.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Antiliar » Sat May 18, 2024 10:17 am

Solly D's son wrote, "My uncle LOUIE was his [Joey DiVarco] partner in the Orange Juice business. They were brining it up from Florida - illegally. Kinda like alcohol during the bootlegging era but orange juice. Made a lot of money. Obviously the OJ with PULP made much more but very lucrative anyway."

"...well when they were active a gallon of OJ cost .86 cents. His partner J. DIVARCO partner in crime had a connected job with TROPICANA. What this guy did was he found a way to pasteurize the OJ and they started shipping around the country. It started out in FLA obviously at .86 cents a gallon but by the time it got to let’s say PORTLAND , OREGON for example the price would triple. So yes you could buy a gallon in Florida for cheap but by the time it traveled throughout the USA the price increased."

Greg wrote: "before that he ran molasses from Canada. Your father provided the trucks."

"DAMN RIGHT HE PROVIDED THE TRUCKS."

"they used the vans."

"Do you know who else was in that business. ?"

"which business? OJ or Molasses?"

"The OJ business. Well the same trucks that came from the molasses were used in the OJ. Not the same but same crew of people who supplied them. I’m sorry yes the OJ business. Let me get right to it. Matthew “Matty “ Iadanza was also in the OJ business."

"you know who was in the bbq business? Mario Dispensa. Mario Dispensa vs Herbie the fat H@be Blitzstein."

"Herbie - smarter wiser , very clever. Mario - Batshit crazy."

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Tue May 14, 2024 3:17 pm

Well, Nick said Amato was involved in the Sarillo car bombing, as in, he wanted it. I'm always skeptical of 40 year old FBI files, let alone 40+ year old newspaper articles, so I tend to think it was less of a feud deal, especially if Amato was close to Accardo.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Cosmik_Debris » Tue May 14, 2024 2:09 pm

Coloboy wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:00 am The Amato and Delaurentis turf battle thing was always a little confusing to me. Didn’t the bosses of the outfit determine who had what territory? Wouldn’t, Accardo, Aiuppa, and Cerone basically say “this now belongs to Solly D”? I just figured for seemingly made guys those decisions were black-and-white
From what I understand, this is exactly what happened. This is from an article about the "Last Supper" picture. That picture was taken in 1976.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1986/11/ ... st-supper/

— To inform Amato, and other mob bosses, that Amato was retiring as north suburban gambling boss–whether he liked it or not–and Torello, was taking over the territory.

”This was the start of the Amato curse,” said a veteran IRS mob watcher.

The plates had hardly been cleared before misfortune began to befall the group members, one by one.

Amato`s string of bad luck began with the luncheon and almost immediately got worse. His much younger wife, Bette, 44, divorced him. Then a mysterious fire destroyed his stables in Harvard, killing 22 harness horses. And in November of 1979, Barrington police arrested him in his Lake Zurich apartment on a complaint of his ex-wife, charging him with forging her name to a $15,000 insurance settlement check from the stable fire. Shortly thereafter, according to mob watchers, Amato relinquished even his legitimate businesses in McHenry County, including a tobacco wholesale firm he had operated as a front for his other activities. Now 78, he reportedly spends his time in Lake Zurich, living off his memories of the good old days and the profits he made before the golden carpet was yanked from under his feet.

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