THE BLACK HAND FORUM

OmarSantista wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:07 pm Lot of respect for you Scootch, thanks again for the display of intellectual faith.

johnny_scootch wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 4:57 am

OmarSantista wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 2:54 am Do you guys think about Phillip Anthony Sainz-Hall should be added. Although his father was of Spanish or Latin descent, I forget off hand, and his mother Sicilian, he says he was made under Eugene Smaldone who he said was in his late 80’s. Says he was proposed by a guy named John Giovanni who also groomed him. At 1 point he said he was the 157th member and later on he said there were 220 members. I find that hard to believe, given this is Denver in the 90’s but just wanted to state what he said cause I think it’s interesting. But he did talk about the induction and interestingly said they pricked his ring finger. I think I’ve heard the ring finger pricking method to be used before but I can’t truly recollect. The final point as to why I’m bringing this to the forum is because he stated that in the east coast he’d likely be recognized as an associate but in the Midwest he believed he’d be considered a member.

Omar you're a good poster but everything you said this guy Philip said is totally ridiculous, you've been a member here long enough to know that.

Hall collected debts and served as the Genovese crime family’s connection to Latino organized crime groups in the 1990s, he said. When he got into trouble with those groups, he skipped out of Denver and hooked up with a circus. During that time of trying to lay low, someone found him and tried to take him out with a crowbar to the skull, he said.

Duvall-Gambino said his initiation at 15 into the crime family was conducted by Gotti in Sicilian. The ceremony took place on Halloween 1992, he said. It included an oath of "omerta" and holding a blood-sprinkled, flaming saint's card of St. Francis of Assisi to illustrate eternal punishment if Duvall-Gambino betrayed the family's trust.

OmarSantista wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 2:54 am Do you guys think about Phillip Anthony Sainz-Hall should be added. Although his father was of Spanish or Latin descent, I forget off hand, and his mother Sicilian, he says he was made under Eugene Smaldone who he said was in his late 80’s. Says he was proposed by a guy named John Giovanni who also groomed him. At 1 point he said he was the 157th member and later on he said there were 220 members. I find that hard to believe, given this is Denver in the 90’s but just wanted to state what he said cause I think it’s interesting. But he did talk about the induction and interestingly said they pricked his ring finger. I think I’ve heard the ring finger pricking method to be used before but I can’t truly recollect. The final point as to why I’m bringing this to the forum is because he stated that in the east coast he’d likely be recognized as an associate but in the Midwest he believed he’d be considered a member.