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Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Tue May 14, 2024 3:17 pm

Well, Nick said Amato was involved in the Sarillo car bombing, as in, he wanted it. I'm always skeptical of 40 year old FBI files, let alone 40+ year old newspaper articles, so I tend to think it was less of a feud deal, especially if Amato was close to Accardo.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Cosmik_Debris » Tue May 14, 2024 2:09 pm

Coloboy wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 10:00 am The Amato and Delaurentis turf battle thing was always a little confusing to me. Didn’t the bosses of the outfit determine who had what territory? Wouldn’t, Accardo, Aiuppa, and Cerone basically say “this now belongs to Solly D”? I just figured for seemingly made guys those decisions were black-and-white
From what I understand, this is exactly what happened. This is from an article about the "Last Supper" picture. That picture was taken in 1976.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1986/11/ ... st-supper/

— To inform Amato, and other mob bosses, that Amato was retiring as north suburban gambling boss–whether he liked it or not–and Torello, was taking over the territory.

”This was the start of the Amato curse,” said a veteran IRS mob watcher.

The plates had hardly been cleared before misfortune began to befall the group members, one by one.

Amato`s string of bad luck began with the luncheon and almost immediately got worse. His much younger wife, Bette, 44, divorced him. Then a mysterious fire destroyed his stables in Harvard, killing 22 harness horses. And in November of 1979, Barrington police arrested him in his Lake Zurich apartment on a complaint of his ex-wife, charging him with forging her name to a $15,000 insurance settlement check from the stable fire. Shortly thereafter, according to mob watchers, Amato relinquished even his legitimate businesses in McHenry County, including a tobacco wholesale firm he had operated as a front for his other activities. Now 78, he reportedly spends his time in Lake Zurich, living off his memories of the good old days and the profits he made before the golden carpet was yanked from under his feet.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Tue May 14, 2024 11:45 am

I see what you are saying, but I was under the understanding that the chop shop wars were more about various outfit crews muscling in on independent chop shops, not so much fighting with each other for control

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue May 14, 2024 10:43 am

I'm not sure how much the 'iron grip' was actually true in Chicago - look at the Chop Shop Wars for example - those were different crews fighting it out during a time when the Outfit was quite strong. I think you see this with the mob no matter the city - a group of aggressive 'young turk' types fighting established crews for money and territory - the bosses side with the more aggressive groups and let them in - otherwise the bosses put themselves at risk.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Coloboy » Tue May 14, 2024 10:00 am

The Amato and Delaurentis turf battle thing was always a little confusing to me. Didn’t the bosses of the outfit determine who had what territory? Wouldn’t, Accardo, Aiuppa, and Cerone basically say “this now belongs to Solly D”? I just figured for seemingly made guys those decisions were black-and-white

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue May 14, 2024 7:24 am

Snakes wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 7:06 am
NorthBuffalo wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 6:55 am Is John the son of Black Joe Amato? I was reading an older article about DeLaurentis pushing Amato's crew out of Lake County - would be interesting if he was close to the son all these years later.
I'd have to check on Amato's kids. I think it was initially assumed that Amato was pushed out of Lake/McHenry Counties and that the Nick Sarillo car bombing was part of a power struggle between Amato and the Ferriola crew. Nick Calabrese later said it was because Sarillo didn't want to pay a street tax to Amato.
DeLaurentis was with Ferriola during that time period, correct? Joe Fosco has said that Joe Amato and DeLaurentis were once quite close and then DeLaurentis hooked back up with Ferriola's crew and came back and came back to the northern suburbs to push him out, taking over everything.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Tue May 14, 2024 7:06 am

NorthBuffalo wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 6:55 am Is John the son of Black Joe Amato? I was reading an older article about DeLaurentis pushing Amato's crew out of Lake County - would be interesting if he was close to the son all these years later.
I'd have to check on Amato's kids. I think it was initially assumed that Amato was pushed out of Lake/McHenry Counties and that the Nick Sarillo car bombing was part of a power struggle between Amato and the Ferriola crew. Nick Calabrese later said it was because Sarillo didn't want to pay a street tax to Amato.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by NorthBuffalo » Tue May 14, 2024 6:55 am

Is John the son of Black Joe Amato? I was reading an older article about DeLaurentis pushing Amato's crew out of Lake County - would be interesting if he was close to the son all these years later.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Snakes » Mon May 13, 2024 8:06 pm

Waingro wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 7:05 pm https://www.instagram.com/p/B2pqP5bgB7r/?img_index=2

Picture from 2019 of Solly D totally not looking like a mafia boss and Marco Damico. Is Rich Mancini and John Amato suspected of being anybody?
Never heard the names. Solly and Marco went to grade school together, so they go way back

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Waingro » Mon May 13, 2024 7:05 pm

https://www.instagram.com/p/B2pqP5bgB7r/?img_index=2

Picture from 2019 of Solly D totally not looking like a mafia boss and Marco Damico. Is Rich Mancini and John Amato suspected of being anybody?

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by funkster » Mon May 13, 2024 6:42 pm

Tonyd621 wrote: Sat May 11, 2024 9:30 am I can't believe people still wear those Kangol hats.
lol at least he's not wearing it backwards.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Tonyd621 » Sat May 11, 2024 9:30 am

I can't believe people still wear those Kangol hats.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Fri May 10, 2024 4:31 pm

Patrickgold wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 4:12 pm Oh yea he was a 12th street player. He got busted selling heroin and I also think he got arrested for shooting someone. He’s definitely from the street and capable despite how he acts on social media. Also, when he was in the joint, Harry Aleman watched over him. Was his cell mate for a while.
Hahaha wow OK well that certainly clears things up. Thanks Patrick.

His videos are incredibly silly but I guess Joey Lombardo was pretty silly, too, despite being a very serious guy, so I guess you could call this kind of thing a "tradition" of sorts in the Outfit. :lol:

One more minor connection: He uses Solly D's steam business. Credit to Joe Puzzles for the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE1DQM4d-Yo

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Patrickgold » Fri May 10, 2024 4:12 pm

Ivan wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 2:41 pm
Coloboy wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 1:19 pm Not so sure. Some here have info that he may be a made guy. Also, there is direct evidence he may be serious, or at the very least well connected. He was the go between when Mickey Davis needed to find someone to lay a beating on a debtor. Rovito introduce him to Carparelli.
Not gonna name names here but a couple sources who I respect have alleged he's either a highly-placed associate of Cicero or a made guy in the crew. I find the latter kind of hard to believe (he comes across as borderline psychotic in his social media videos and I can't see the Outfit making someone like that), but that's what I've been told.

His role in the Carparelli case, like you noted, is what makes me think there might be something to him being more than just a restaurateur.

Was he ever a gangbanger like many of the other alleged guys in the present-day crew?
Oh yea he was a 12th street player. He got busted selling heroin and I also think he got arrested for shooting someone. He’s definitely from the street and capable despite how he acts on social media. Also, when he was in the joint, Harry Aleman watched over him. Was his cell mate for a while.

Re: General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

by Ivan » Fri May 10, 2024 2:41 pm

Coloboy wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 1:19 pm Not so sure. Some here have info that he may be a made guy. Also, there is direct evidence he may be serious, or at the very least well connected. He was the go between when Mickey Davis needed to find someone to lay a beating on a debtor. Rovito introduce him to Carparelli.
Not gonna name names here but a couple sources who I respect have alleged he's either a highly-placed associate of Cicero or a made guy in the crew. I find the latter kind of hard to believe (he comes across as borderline psychotic in his social media videos and I can't see the Outfit making someone like that), but that's what I've been told.

His role in the Carparelli case, like you noted, is what makes me think there might be something to him being more than just a restaurateur.

Was he ever a gangbanger like many of the other alleged guys in the present-day crew?

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