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Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:14 pm

cavita wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:48 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:23 pm Who did all the raids on the adult entertainment establishments in the last couple of years? The sheriffs department? It sounds like their relationship dried up if they did. I don’t understand why after all these years, they would decide to close them down now. That was a big money maker for them.

I definitely understand you not wanting to talk about Joe. He is still around I know his son is legit and works for slot machine distributor I believe.

Have you ever thought about writing a book on Rockford?
Well, the Rockford Police did the actual raids and it was only on the two businesses in Rockford- The Exclusive and Chantilly Lace. These businesses and others over the years always had arrests for prostitution and such but pressure was recently brought to bear because of the increased exposure and notoriety of sex trafficking. The ones in Belvidere, Illinois as far as I know were all Asian-owned. Over the years, the Rockford LCN never had quite the relationship with the Rockford Police as they did with the Sheriff's Department. Sure they had guys here and there in the police department over the years but for the most part the Sheriff's Department was their go to. A retired Rockford police detective was a chauffer for old man Zammuto for awhile in the 60s and 70s and would take him to the horserace park in Chicago often.
If I get some time I'll add the FBI files mentioning the law enforcement corruption.
As for a book on Rockford? That would be far off it ever did see the light of day- there are many, many more FBI files to request and at the pace their responding it could take some time.
I did find that the C'est La Vie massage parlor in Belvidere was "owned" by Charlotte Giovingo and Prudence Calgaro in the 1980s. I say "owned" because this business was really owned by Salvatore J. Giovingo who was Charlotte's husband and he was also Prudence's brother. He was using them as fronts and he also owned the Golden Touch Health Spa in Rockford. Salvatore's father was Joe Giovingo, who was murdered gangland style in August 1930 on orders of boss Tony Musso.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:30 pm

SolarSolano wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:03 pm
cavita wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:40 pm
SolarSolano wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:08 am That's Tiger in the bottom photo - white hair, gold tie. I think that is two of the Fiorenza brothers as well on either side of him? Joe Saladino has white hair no tie and not sure who the other guys are.
In the bottom photo, left to right:
Mike Pumilia
Natale Sartino
Pete Saladino (deceased)
Jimmy Ciaccio (deceased)
Joe Saladino
Mike Gioppo
So its not Frisella? I stand corrected and will edit that - also don't want to associate some innocent italian guy with the same name too.
Tiger Frisella I believe is older than John Frisella of the restaurant John's Pizza. John Frisella, born in Sambuca, Sicily was one of those named in an FBI file in the mid 80s who used his restaurant to distribute narcotics with the Sicilian Mafia narcotics ring led by Rockford LCN underboss Frank Buscemi. Hardly innocent.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by SolarSolano » Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:03 pm

cavita wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:40 pm
SolarSolano wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:08 am That's Tiger in the bottom photo - white hair, gold tie. I think that is two of the Fiorenza brothers as well on either side of him? Joe Saladino has white hair no tie and not sure who the other guys are.
In the bottom photo, left to right:
Mike Pumilia
Natale Sartino
Pete Saladino (deceased)
Jimmy Ciaccio (deceased)
Joe Saladino
Mike Gioppo
So its not Frisella? I stand corrected and will edit that - also don't want to associate some innocent italian guy with the same name too.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:40 pm

SolarSolano wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:08 am That's Tiger in the bottom photo - white hair, gold tie. I think that is two of the Fiorenza brothers as well on either side of him? Joe Saladino has white hair no tie and not sure who the other guys are.
In the bottom photo, left to right:
Mike Pumilia
Natale Sartino
Pete Saladino (deceased)
Jimmy Ciaccio (deceased)
Joe Saladino
Mike Gioppo

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by SolarSolano » Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:08 am

That's Tiger in the bottom photo - white hair, gold tie. I think that is two of the Fiorenza brothers as well on either side of him? Joe Saladino has white hair no tie and not sure who the other guys are.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:56 am

SolarSolano wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:40 am These may have been posted already, but wanted to share.

John Frisella
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Joe Saladino and some of the boys in Rockford

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Yes. John Frisella was actually born in Sambuca, Sicily and is not to be confused with John "Tiger" Frisella who was arrested in the 2006 gambling bust.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by SolarSolano » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:40 am

These may have been posted already, but wanted to share.

John Frisella
Image

Joe Saladino and some of the boys in Rockford

Image

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am

Patrickgold wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:54 am
cavita wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:46 am
Patrickgold wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:26 pm
cavita wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:46 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:23 pm Who did all the raids on the adult entertainment establishments in the last couple of years? The sheriffs department? It sounds like their relationship dried up if they did. I don’t understand why after all these years, they would decide to close them down now. That was a big money maker for them.

I definitely understand you not wanting to talk about Joe. He is still around I know his son is legit and works for slot machine distributor I believe.

Have you ever thought about writing a book on Rockford?
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chanti ... ion-sting/
Thanks for the link Cavita. Any info on this Peggy Smith? Was she connected with anyone in Rockford or solely independent? I wonder how Rockford PD was able to arrest the johns that went there. They must have had a camera or someone uncover there
The connection basically was through her husband Robert before he passed away. Years ago they were fronts for the LCN and Gumba would make the collections.
Wonder if the bust had anything to do with stopped payments or maybe whatever connection they had that protected them all these years just dried up. Rockford PD raided it it looks like
Yeah, that's unknown to me. What I do know is that this place and other similar places payed street tax to operate for years, some going back to the 1960s.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by Patrickgold » Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:54 am

cavita wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:46 am
Patrickgold wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:26 pm
cavita wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:46 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:23 pm Who did all the raids on the adult entertainment establishments in the last couple of years? The sheriffs department? It sounds like their relationship dried up if they did. I don’t understand why after all these years, they would decide to close them down now. That was a big money maker for them.

I definitely understand you not wanting to talk about Joe. He is still around I know his son is legit and works for slot machine distributor I believe.

Have you ever thought about writing a book on Rockford?
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chanti ... ion-sting/
Thanks for the link Cavita. Any info on this Peggy Smith? Was she connected with anyone in Rockford or solely independent? I wonder how Rockford PD was able to arrest the johns that went there. They must have had a camera or someone uncover there
The connection basically was through her husband Robert before he passed away. Years ago they were fronts for the LCN and Gumba would make the collections.
Wonder if the bust had anything to do with stopped payments or maybe whatever connection they had that protected them all these years just dried up. Rockford PD raided it it looks like

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:46 am

Patrickgold wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:26 pm
cavita wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:46 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:23 pm Who did all the raids on the adult entertainment establishments in the last couple of years? The sheriffs department? It sounds like their relationship dried up if they did. I don’t understand why after all these years, they would decide to close them down now. That was a big money maker for them.

I definitely understand you not wanting to talk about Joe. He is still around I know his son is legit and works for slot machine distributor I believe.

Have you ever thought about writing a book on Rockford?
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chanti ... ion-sting/
Thanks for the link Cavita. Any info on this Peggy Smith? Was she connected with anyone in Rockford or solely independent? I wonder how Rockford PD was able to arrest the johns that went there. They must have had a camera or someone uncover there
The connection basically was through her husband Robert before he passed away. Years ago they were fronts for the LCN and Gumba would make the collections.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by Patrickgold » Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:26 pm

cavita wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:46 pm
Patrickgold wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:23 pm Who did all the raids on the adult entertainment establishments in the last couple of years? The sheriffs department? It sounds like their relationship dried up if they did. I don’t understand why after all these years, they would decide to close them down now. That was a big money maker for them.

I definitely understand you not wanting to talk about Joe. He is still around I know his son is legit and works for slot machine distributor I believe.

Have you ever thought about writing a book on Rockford?
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chanti ... ion-sting/
Thanks for the link Cavita. Any info on this Peggy Smith? Was she connected with anyone in Rockford or solely independent? I wonder how Rockford PD was able to arrest the johns that went there. They must have had a camera or someone uncover there

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Mon Jun 07, 2021 2:46 pm

Patrickgold wrote: Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:23 pm Who did all the raids on the adult entertainment establishments in the last couple of years? The sheriffs department? It sounds like their relationship dried up if they did. I don’t understand why after all these years, they would decide to close them down now. That was a big money maker for them.

I definitely understand you not wanting to talk about Joe. He is still around I know his son is legit and works for slot machine distributor I believe.

Have you ever thought about writing a book on Rockford?
https://www.mystateline.com/news/chanti ... ion-sting/

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by B. » Mon May 18, 2020 1:40 am

I'm not aware of other members aside from the murdered Pasquale Lolordo, his brother Joe who left for NYC, and possibly Jim DiGeorge's brother. Bacino appears to have had relatives who were associates.

All of that info is new to me and gives me plenty to think about. It makes sense that Buscemi would have been under DiGeorge given his heritage. I'm of the opinion that Michael Merlo was a rallying point for the Agrigentini who came to Chicago in the 1920s.

The bit about Chicago's word carrying no weight in the 1958 boss election as well as the concerns about Buscemi's Chicago ties tell us that it was an explicit priority within Rockford to maintain their independence from Chicago.

The name Cimino from Ribera rings a bell but I'd have to dig to remember where I saw it. I've looked through so many genealogical records for the Riberesi it blurs together.

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by cavita » Sun May 17, 2020 12:44 pm

B. wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 11:38 pm Do you have any names from Ribera area? Any idea if the Chicago members from Ribera had any interaction with Rockford?

Great information all around. So interesting to me that Buscemi began bringing Sicilians around during the same period that NYC/NJ was doing the same. Part of that was what was going on in Sicily, but it was a two way street and the US figures had to be receptive.
B.

The one name from Ribera that I can think of off the top of my head were the Cimino boys who came to the Rockford area from Ribera in the late 1960s and early 1970s. They immediately opened up pizza places all over Rockford and the surrounding smaller towns- Freeport, Loves Park, Pecatonica, Winnebago, Mt. Morris, etc. In Frank Buscemi's FBI file from the mid 1980s among other restaurants and businesses, the FBI desired to know the owners and corporate officers of Cimino's Pizzeria, particularly the one located at 5435 N. 2nd Street in Loves Park.

One Ribera name from Chicago I know who had interaction with the Rockford guys was Jimmie DeGeorge. Buscemi of course came up under DeGeorge in the 1930s and 1940s and I have an FBI file where it stated DeGeorge backed Rockford's Phil Priola as boss in 1958 when Tony Musso died. The FBI file said this support carried no weight because Chicago had nothing to do with Rockford picking its bosses. Another Chicago Ribera guy, Phil Bacino, had gotten himself arrested in a Milwaukee bootlegging case with two guys from Rockford- James Anasatase and Alphonse Caruso.

What other Chicago guys do you know of that had Ribera roots?

Re: April 25, 2005 Frank "Gumba" Saladino

by B. » Sat May 16, 2020 11:38 pm

Do you have any names from Ribera area? Any idea if the Chicago members from Ribera had any interaction with Rockford?

Great information all around. So interesting to me that Buscemi began bringing Sicilians around during the same period that NYC/NJ was doing the same. Part of that was what was going on in Sicily, but it was a two way street and the US figures had to be receptive.

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